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04/22/2004
Relax! No, really!
A hearty cockslap to the geniuses at UCSD who came up with this:
A team at the University of California San Diego found that women who worried about either the medical aspects or the cost of their assisted reproductive technology (ART) cases were less likely to become pregnant than women who are less concerned. [...]
"See? I told you your rotten attitude was the reason you're not getting pregnant!"
Women worried about the medical aspects of the procedure had 20 percent fewer eggs retrieved and 19 percent fewer eggs fertilized than women who were less inclined to worry about it. [...]
Those who were very concerned about how much the treatment cost were more likely to miscarry.
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But what about those teenagers who tear their hair out with worry about whether they're pregnant and, far too often, seem to be? Or does this account for the rising rates of teenage pregnancy, in that they don't really seem to care any more?
And women who read articles about studies like this one were 52% more likely to have their heads spontaneously explode.
well thank goodness my mother can't read English very well! she'd have a field day with this one!
Gee, I feel stupid for spending all that money on IVF when all I needed was Xanax...
How about: women who miscarry are more likely to worry??
No, that would make too much sense.
My favorite is how this line (the last in the story) seems to be an after thought:
"She said fertility clinics should do more do ease the stress of their patients."
It really chaps my nether regions when people spew crap like this without then making any helpful, REALISTIC suggestions for fixing the "problem".
Eff them.
Since we've established that I'm a doctor, let me state that MY studies show that asshats who go out of their way to provide trifling studies that only serve to intensify the "worry effect" that they purport to study MAY BE AT AN INCREASED RISK for flaming bags of dogshit on their porches.
-- J. L. Polyp et al.
Did y'all notice in the article that it was based on a study of 151 women? Like that is a statistical sample? Here's the quote:
"They studied 151 women seeking in vitro fertilization, also known as IVF, or another procedure called GIFT. The women filled out questionnaires about concerns relating to treatment side effects, surgery, anesthesia, pain recovery, finances, missing work, and having a baby."
I think this is the first time I've posted on your blog but I read it frequently (amid shouts of "Amen Sister!").
I really hate researchers like this. *wankers*
I saw that this morning too - great timing, researchers! Maybe my stressing out was responsible for my ongoing maybe-miscarriage? Gosh, I feel better now. Are you telling me that you *really* factored in every single other variable out there? (They say they did, but when you start getting into territory where there are at least eight or nine variables, I'm not very confident).
As for the "fertility clinics easing the stress of their patients", I don't think that's realistically very possible. I mean, I love my RE and fertility clinic; they're good, attentive, call me back right away, monitor me like crazy - I definitely feel like I've got their attention. Guess what? I still stress. It's the nature of the infertile beast. The only surefire way for them to solve this problem would be to take you aside when you first came in, hand you a mewling newborn which somehow was created overnight out of your husband's and your gametes, and say "Here's your gorgeous baby, take it home. Look, it even has your eyes!" That would definitely reduce stress.
Maybe they should do a study to find out how many women conceived while on vacation?
I conceived while on vacation, then miscarried at 11 weeks. Perhaps I should have just stayed on vacation.
Or at the very least not worried about the cost of the vacation...
What I hate more than effing studies like this are the effing people that then read them and think they can spew them to me as I'm going through IVF or fertility treatments. Like today I told someone I was doing IVF (couldn't hide it; my arms are a bruised mess, and she wanted me to do something next week) and she immediately brought up the study. Now I have to stress that I am stressing too much. Eff that.
Wait.. ok. So if I worry, I will miscarry, so I shouldn't worry about worrying, because the worrying is bad. Uhoh, I am worried that I am worrying too much.
Crap.
I knew some bozo Dr. Assmunch would find a way to scientifically prove "just relax and it will happen" was true.
And don't leave out the part about if you are worried about taking time off work it lowers your chances by 30%!
Those fuckers. As if we do not have enough to worry about. Now we have to worry that we are worrying too much.
I was awake last night thinking of all the stuff that can go wrong with my next cycle (start stims on Sat........maybe)like I will ovulate before my first u/s. I will miss the window for antagon in between my u/s scans.....etc, etc, etc......
Laura
And don't leave out the part about if you are worried about taking time off work it lowers your chances by 30%!
Those fuckers. As if we do not have enough to worry about. Now we have to worry that we are worrying too much.
I was awake last night thinking of all the stuff that can go wrong with my next cycle (start stims on Sat........maybe)like I will ovulate before my first u/s. I will miss the window for antagon in between my u/s scans.....etc, etc, etc......
Laura
But according to statistics, my chances are only 30% to begin with - so if I take time off to do IVF and then worry about it, I might as well just not take the time off because I'll have a 0% chance of getting pregnant.
Barbie was right: Math IS hard!!!
If we worry, we don't get pregnant. If we don't worry, our body senses ambivalence about having a baby and we don't get pregnant. Aargh!
I lied to myself during my IVF cycle. I told myself it was a holiday in the city...ok, a holiday with needles. I was considerably less stressed because we ate out and went to movies and walked in parks and generally lied to ourselves that we were on a little vacation. Nope, no baby. Take that you UCSD dipshits!
hmmm...just noticed that I wrote "our body". How embarrassing. I think I'll slink back to my little corner of lurkdom now and come back when I can form a sentence.
I read about this too. Statistics. I don’t believe in statistics anymore. Statistics may tell something about what happened in the past to a group of people, but they don’t tell us why. A next test could prove the previous one wrong. And the probabilities mean nothing for the individual.
In my life many things happen that are statiscally unlikely. I miscarried twice after having good echo’s at 11 weeks. In 1997 I lived in a flat where my neighbour caused a gas-explosion, so I was homeless for over a year. First night in my caravan lightning hit a nearby powerstation and my tv, video, telephone, etc. were damaged beyond repair. And this was the second time in 2 years. I will not exhaust you with other examples; suffice to say there are many.
Statistics don’t prove anything and I really DON’T believe not getting pregnant is the result of worrying too much. A friend of mine decided she wanted to get pregnant at 35, started trying and tested herself two times every cycle (obsessed?) and got pregnant within three months. And delivered a healthy baby.
Besides, we all started trying without worrying, weren’t we? The worrying is more likely a result than a cause. Did the researchers think about that?
Out of 151 women, about how many do you think were actually NOT worried about achieving a viable pregnancy, medical consequences, missing time at work, excessive cost of treatment, etc. etc.
What is wrong with those women??? Have any of you ever met a woman like that?
Out of 151 women, I'll bet there were three that were "not worried." What does that do to your statistical analysis?
I don't worry.
I have no feelings... no soul at all.
Sold it on ebay to pay for IVF.
I actually participated in a study just like this one and got a free IVF cycle out of it.
Here's how it worked:
I was asked to rate my physical and emotional states regarding things like: treatment (stress level, physical pain involved), IVF outcome (confidence level), work (time missed, able to focus on job, etc), marital relations (ability to orgasm, libido level, degree of stress within the relationship), social relations (still enjoying company of friends, social activities, etc.).
I was asked to fill out the exact same form each and every time I visited the clinic for treatment during that cycle.
So, when my E2 levels weren't looking so good, or my follicle count was shit, I wanted to answer every question in a negative way, but instead I lied and pretended that nothing about IVF could affect my emotional status.
I was afraid I'd be withdrawn from the study if I allowed them to know that I was, indeed, stressed the fuck out about my progress.
I can only assume that the women who (honestly) answered more negatively did so because as their cycle progressed, and they saw that things weren't going so wonderfully, they became worried about the outcome.
Do we really need a study to show us that when a cycle isn't looking so good, we become worried/stressed? These cycles statistically tend to fail more often- because they're less than ideal cycles, not because we are worried or stressed.
Filling out all the fucking paperwork made me stressed out. Maybe they should add that to their study.
I am so tired of the RELAX thing. We have started looking at adoption but are still pursuing treatment. The cost,loss of work, disappointment, etc...just SUCK.
This is my first post. Thanks for helping me. I never would have made it through the last few months without you. Its just nice to know I am not crazy.
I read this crappy article too. My first thought? Gee...could it be that women who have to go through fertility treatments in the first place are more likely to have miscarriages? And that those who have had miscarriages are more likely to worry about it? And, those who are in those stages of fertility treatment have typically already spent lots of time, money, and EMOTION on other treatments so of course, the cost is going to be a factor?
Idiots.
Huh. This reminds me of something I saw in a stand-up routine once--the comic described being in a shoe store with a mom and her enthusiastic, energetic, dancing-and-singing 4-year old daughter. The exasperated mom grabbed her child and screamed, RELAX!!. "This girl is not learning what 'relax' means. Imagine what's gonna happen to her when grows and someone guy is trying to put the make on her: 'relaaaaaaax ....'"
This may sound simplistic, but is it possible that they're worrying BECAUSE they have fertility problems? In other words, if you poll a lot of women with fertility problems, well, duh, they are probably worrying. If they're worrying then they already consider it a problem! Sometimes I wonder about these "studies".
I emailed this to my aunt, who had my favorite question for those who ran the study:
"How does lobotomy affect the outcome?"
Morons.
Lobotomy on the researchers or the subjects?
he he he!!!
BOTH!!!!
Here's another thing.
Were the women polled AFTER the process? (Sorry, I'm way too lazy to actually read the article...heaven forbid.) If so, then the ones who got pregnant and did not miscarry are more likely to recall the experience as "less" stressful, aren't they?
I've had five pregnancies. Here's how stress affected them:
Pregnancy Number One: An unwed mother. Stressed. Terrified. Embarrassed. Horrible home situation. Had a miscarriage.
Pregnancy Number Two: Still an unwed mother. (I know, I know.) Stressed. Terrified. Embarrassed. Horrible house-share situation. Add to that working full-time at a job I absolutely hated. Had a healthy baby.
Pregnancy Number Three: Stressed.Terrified. Awful home life. Still working full-time at the same horrific job. Result: miscarriage.
Pregnancy Number Four: Stressed. Terrified. Trying to get away from my fiance. Horrible home situation w/1st DS (who was then 14) in & out of school constantly. Job situation just slightly better, but scared I couldn't pull it off. Horrible health. Insomnia. Result: miscarriage.
Pregnancy Number Five: Great home situation, loving DH. Stressed. Exhausted. Terrified of being a mommy again after 17 years. Job INCREDIBLY stressful. Add to that continuous spotting and repeated ultrasounds up until 12 weeks; premature labor scare & hospital admission at 20 weeks; diagnosis of SUA (single umbilical artery) that "doesn't ALWAYS link to mental retardation, heart and liver problems...so just don't worry...we'll do ultrasounds every single month from now on;" having to travel into the city on occasion, stressful, awful, smelly, exhausting. Result: a healthy baby.
Ummmmmm.....stress sure did affect those outcomes, didn't they?
Not...
The studies are BULLSHIT. Stressing WILL NOT affect the results of your treatment. What horse shit. You're stressed BECAUSE you're already going through this. I was so horribly stressed out over trying to get pregnant and keep the baby all those years later, that I should by all rights have had a miscarriage...right? Wrong. That's such bullshit. People told me, "Oh, just forget about TTC and that's when it will happen!" bullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshit. Girls. DO NOT believe this horse-dump.
Here's another thing.
Were the women polled AFTER the process? (Sorry, I'm way too lazy to actually read the article...heaven forbid.) If so, then the ones who got pregnant and did not miscarry are more likely to recall the experience as "less" stressful, aren't they?
I've had five pregnancies. Here's how stress affected them:
Pregnancy Number One: An unwed mother. Stressed. Terrified. Embarrassed. Horrible home situation. Had a miscarriage.
Pregnancy Number Two: Still an unwed mother. (I know, I know.) Stressed. Terrified. Embarrassed. Horrible house-share situation. Add to that working full-time at a job I absolutely hated. Had a healthy baby.
Pregnancy Number Three: Stressed.Terrified. Awful home life. Still working full-time at the same horrific job. Result: miscarriage.
Pregnancy Number Four: Stressed. Terrified. Trying to get away from my fiance. Horrible home situation w/1st DS (who was then 14) in & out of school constantly. Job situation just slightly better, but scared I couldn't pull it off. Horrible health. Insomnia. Result: miscarriage.
Pregnancy Number Five: Great home situation, loving DH. Stressed. Exhausted. Terrified of being a mommy again after 17 years. Job INCREDIBLY stressful. Add to that continuous spotting and repeated ultrasounds up until 12 weeks; premature labor scare & hospital admission at 20 weeks; diagnosis of SUA (single umbilical artery) that "doesn't ALWAYS link to mental retardation, heart and liver problems...so just don't worry...we'll do ultrasounds every single month from now on;" having to travel into the city on occasion, stressful, awful, smelly, exhausting. Result: a healthy baby.
Ummmmmm.....stress sure did affect those outcomes, didn't they?
Not...
The studies are BULLSHIT. Stressing WILL NOT affect the results of your treatment. What horse shit. You're stressed BECAUSE you're already going through this. I was so horribly stressed out over trying to get pregnant and keep the baby all those years later, that I should by all rights have had a miscarriage...right? Wrong. That's such bullshit. People told me, "Oh, just forget about TTC and that's when it will happen!" bullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshit. Girls. DO NOT believe this horse-dump.
Here's another thing.
Were the women polled AFTER the process? (Sorry, I'm way too lazy to actually read the article...heaven forbid.) If so, then the ones who got pregnant and did not miscarry are more likely to recall the experience as "less" stressful, aren't they?
I've had five pregnancies. Here's how stress affected them:
Pregnancy Number One: An unwed mother. Stressed. Terrified. Embarrassed. Horrible home situation. Had a miscarriage.
Pregnancy Number Two: Still an unwed mother. (I know, I know.) Stressed. Terrified. Embarrassed. Horrible house-share situation. Add to that working full-time at a job I absolutely hated. Had a healthy baby.
Pregnancy Number Three: Stressed.Terrified. Awful home life. Still working full-time at the same horrific job. Result: miscarriage.
Pregnancy Number Four: Stressed. Terrified. Trying to get away from my fiance. Horrible home situation w/1st DS (who was then 14) in & out of school constantly. Job situation just slightly better, but scared I couldn't pull it off. Horrible health. Insomnia. Result: miscarriage.
Pregnancy Number Five: Great home situation, loving DH. Stressed. Exhausted. Terrified of being a mommy again after 17 years. Job INCREDIBLY stressful. Add to that continuous spotting and repeated ultrasounds up until 12 weeks; premature labor scare & hospital admission at 20 weeks; diagnosis of SUA (single umbilical artery) that "doesn't ALWAYS link to mental retardation, heart and liver problems...so just don't worry...we'll do ultrasounds every single month from now on;" having to travel into the city on occasion, stressful, awful, smelly, exhausting. Result: a healthy baby.
Ummmmmm.....stress sure did affect those outcomes, didn't they?
Not...
The studies are BULLSHIT. Stressing WILL NOT affect the results of your treatment. What horse shit. You're stressed BECAUSE you're already going through this. I was so horribly stressed out over trying to get pregnant and keep the baby all those years later, that I should by all rights have had a miscarriage...right? Wrong. That's such bullshit. People told me, "Oh, just forget about TTC and that's when it will happen!" bullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshit. Girls. DO NOT believe this horse-dump.
Well, they way I see it is IVF clinics should be doing them for free! No stress for the women, higher stats for RE clinics!
Uh-oh...just in... there's a new study that states that 151 RE's are doing a poor job during transfer because they're worried that they can't pay their bills.
I would like to personally thank the fuckheads that funded this study. No, no, best that the money went to prove that infertile women are stressed rather than to something unimportant like cancer research...hey...do you think those people are stressed?
Maybe, I should smoke some pot and crack and relax. A perfectly formed baby will be waiting for me after my indulgence.
And, the stress factor will be eliminated.
In 1956 my mom was told to quit her job, go home and relax and the baby would be conceived.
She's still waiting.
ps I was adopted in 1959, sis adopted in 1962.
Shit. Shit. SHIT! Please GOD do NOT have let my mom come into contact with that article.PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!! (Not that you typically listen to me or anyhthing. Just thought I'd ask)
For the record, IVF#1, mildy sedated on anti-depressant. Failed. IVF#2, more doped up on anti-depressants.....FAILED. IVF#3 so high & numb the whole experience is kind of a blur now (due to the mild breakdown as a result of IVF#2 failing)so that I wouldn't stress out and get a better chance at a successful IVF.....IVF#3 - FAILED.(I mean, SO high numb that when I got the negative BHCG result my response was "Oh, OK." and I went back to work, instead of the usual sobbing in the ladies bathroom)So fuck them and their study.(This time I am only on a mood elevator...maybe in hopes that I won't go completely postal during stims??? Sigh.Well shit, just in case. Refer back to stress levels caused by MIL) Also....
If the patients aren't worried about the cost of IVF & GIFT????? Unless the person in question is a G.D. Millionaire, I think MOST people balk at paying the price of a house down payment for ONE IVF/ICSI/GIFT for EACH TRY...or is this just me? It isn't so much spending the money in hopes of it working,cause if it works, then it is money well spent. It's being REALLY PISSED OFF when it DOESN'T work that makes you gnash your teeth.
Yes, definetly a cockslap is in order here.
still sleepy, sorry for horrid spelling.
MUST-GET-CAWFEEEEEEEE...........
HI ladies! First time posting and glad you’re all here – you’ve all helped me to get my stress level under control the way nothing else has so far. I was actually told by a pregnant co-worker about the study when I congratulated & small talked with her about her recently showing pregnancy. Mentioned to her that the hubby and I would be trying IFV this summer; just had my first consultation this month waiting for my next period so that the RE can take “control” so we’re looking at mid July, all she could say was to “relax” and to tell me in detail about the article. If I hadn’t already discovered this sight her advice might have pushed me over the edge a bit.
For the record – 34 first time TTC but husband had a vasectomy 15 years ago during his first marriage so it’s not like we could get pregnant without help of some sort. Thank goodness my state is one of the few that requires insurance to pick up the cost of 1 IVF attempt we’ll still be shelling out about 5 grand. I’m not really stressed about the whole IVF process (but then again I’m sure it’s easy not to be the 1st time), with the exception of turning into a mega bitch from hell, my husband already has trouble dealing with the PMS bitch that occasionally rears her ugly head for a few days every couple of moths never mind 2 weeks of it. What I’m primarily stressed about has more to do with work and finances, the 5 grand alone will put a strain on things, but I’m also considering quitting my current permanent job (that I loath) to go back to school and work at a more temporary position. Contemplating all of this with my husbands full support, but it just adds to the worry about how we’ll pay for things, or will the stress of working AND going to school AND IVF be too much. It’s been so bad I’m even on anti-depressants/anti-anxiety pills for a month to see if it’ll help level me out a bit. The month is almost up, and I have to admit I’ve been feeling a lot more like myself; sleeping better, not mysteriously bursting into tears several times a week, and actually implementing a plan of action vs. worrying about it, so I have hopes about that area of my life.
Reading all the posts and comments here have really helped me to feel grounded and have also helped me to get more of a perspective on things – knowing that things could be so much more difficult and I can still find the strength to get through it and try again. All you ladies have made me laugh, cry, and actually feel real emotions, for that I thank you. So many of the other sites I came across just made me feel even more alone (sorry I will never be able to refer to the hubby as DH or DP, DP just brings to mind some explicit sexual position, or use all those other cute acronyms or euphemisms).
To the PP who commented on smoking crack and having a healthy baby: I get what you were saying & the humor but I do hear this a lot and I don't think it's 100% accurate.
You always hear "Oh, I'm trying so hard and would love a baby but can't have one...yet crack whores have healthy babies all the time."
The truth is, the majority of those women most likely either miscarry or have abortions, but they weren't actively TTC in the first place so you're not going to hear about that. In the second place, crack-addicted (or anything-addicted) moms don't give birth to perfectly healthy babies. In general, they give birth to babies who are also addicted, and who end up with learning disabilities and/or behavior problems.
Not pointing that out to make the PP feel bad--but only because you might sometimes think life is unjust because you would so love a baby, yet horrible women give birth "all the time". They don't--they miscarry or abort or have premature labors or give birth to very unhealthy babies "all the time".
I'm one of those women who "gets pregnant easily" (though I must confess I have never considered smoking crack--sorry :) ) and on my TTC boards I heard this comment all the time: "SOME women have it SO easy...they get pregnant all the time." Well, yes, it would probably be "so easy" if, first of all, the majority of them lived (my dead baby:live baby ratio is, sadly, 3:2...non-homelessness and non-crack-smoking nonwithstanding) and second of all...honestly, girls, TTC but having problems with same, is really not easy on ANYbody.
Peace,
Mel
Yeah sadly, a look at the history of many of the women who post here will show that we understand that only too well...
You would think, knowing these statistics, that they would charge less!!
LOL Angie!
Julie: I know...and I'm sorry...I'm just deep in the throes of PMS at the moment. Now this you can definitely relate to. After 24 years of torture, I'm trying yet another new thing: progesterone cream. Honestly, if a scientific study told me I could reduce my PMS from two weeks to, oh, a few days of sheer hell by eating monkey shit and standing on my head, that's what I'd be doing right now.
I have always felt guilty on TTC boards talking about getting pregnant, because it's something I do seem able to accomplish. STAYING pregnant is the hard part. Those pregnancies I listed weren't one on top of the next. They spanned an eighteen-year period.
I do understand the "no justice" factor...I really do...but based on that theory, perhaps the reason we poor people get pregnant easily is that we could never afford IVF...not in a million years...not in 18 plus years so far of 40-hour weeks on my part, anyway...in fact, for most of my adult life, I probably couldn't have so much as afforded IUI.
I know...cry me a river. I guess my point is that there really isn't justice...not the way we would want it...There are people who have children, who will never attain their heart's desire, whatever that may be...and they go through life never realizing that there are millions of women who would give their left ovary (sorry for the bad grammar) to switch places with them.
And vice versa, I'd imagine.
I guess in my lame, strange, pathetic and PMS-tainted way, I was trying to make people feel better...but I know there is no "feeling better" when it comes to this...as you know, "getting" pregnant isn't necessarily the culmination...because one does not always stay that way.
And OT (sort of): I am still vomiting over that study. Who do you suppose was the sadist that coined the phrase "Just relax and you'll get pregnant"? Do you suppose s/he was chuckling behind her/his hand while saying it? I say again, girls: that's BullshitBullshitBullshit. If you wish to "not worry", then you might want to invest in a lobotomy...I mean PLEASE...and no...worrying DOES NOT cause you not to get pregnant. VomitVomitVomit.
Love,
Mel
I understand. We all have our own misery to bear and life really isn't fair. Not unfair either. It just is. Doesn't mean it hurts less.
One question from a not native speaker (I live in the Netherlands): What's TTC?
I can understand the english language well enough (thanks to the books of Rita Mae Brown and my study textbooks) but you lose me with the shortcuts. (I don't know the word for that too)
What a load of crap.
Seriously, I love statistics, god knows I love statistics, but this is just silly. I mean, funny hat and clown shoes silly. Questionnaires, even the most gorgeous of them, are inherently flawed and are more suited to developing ice cream toppings than medical protocols. The sample size was actually ok (don't shoot me here people, it was) but the variables... fuck I cannot even go into everything that is wrong with the creation of this regression analysis. You just know it was a regression analysis.
Anyway, my dear Julie, I am wishing you the most successful of cycles and personally I don't believe it matters fuck all if you get to that success screaming your damned head off, curled up in a kitchen cabinet, trying to balance your checkbook and worrying worrying worrying...
Of course, I like you so much that I hope you pass the next several weeks playing with the kitten, baking and quilting in a golden glow of serenity- just don't feel like you have to.
Monique - TTC: Trying To Conceive (no problem, glad to help)
Mel said: "..Honestly, if a scientific study told me I could reduce my PMS from two weeks to, oh, a few days of sheer hell by eating monkey shit and standing on my head, that's what I'd be doing right now." Gawd woman, MONKEY SHIT?? *laughing so hard she farts* I have some pretty nasty PMS, but I draw the line at monkey shit babe.Honest.Bwahahahahahahaha.Were you serious about the Progesterone cream? talk woman!
I'm positive it was a man that thought up "relax and you'll get pregnant". I much prefer my (male) GP's advice all them years ago..... You been trying too hard to get pregnant hon, you need WINE, and lots of it. Candles.and lots of em. More wine, and then some romance. Worked for me and my wife after 5 years of trying."
Come to think of it, Mindy got pregnant with her little girl one night of drunken (completely shitfaced) passion......even though the two boys prior to that were "so genetically engineered they should have been born wearing lab coats". I love Mindy. There may be something to this alchol thing after all, Julie. Methinks you need to smuggle in some Grey Goose with you to Cornell. At the very least, some wine.
Love ya Julie, my hopes, prayers, and deepest thoughts are with you. I hope it will help.
Cyn...I am dying over here...you are one funny chick.
Just wanted to quickly put in that yes, I am serious about the progesterone cream. I really am at the desperate stage. I've heard a lot of great things about progesterone (bioidentical progesterone, not the drug Progestin). But if this fails too...then I'm grabbing a fork and that plate full of monkey shit and I'm digging right in. :)
I just went through the IVF and it wasn't much fun, between the needles 3 times a day for the first two to three weeks, then the ones in your butt, now I'm pregnant, working, hate to be here, but I don't have alot of days left and I worry about losing my job. I feel like asking my doctor if I can go on disability but I also worry about if the money for that will be enough until I come back to work after I have the baby.
What to do?, What to do?, What to do?