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09/17/2006

But she was still hungry

Catworm While we were brushing his teeth last night, Charlie happened to catch sight of the cat's stuffed catnip worm, the one he's loved to play fetch with since his earliest kittenhood. Charlie pointed, and through a mouthful of grape-flavored foam, he exclaimed, "Cannapinna eatta fuht."

It took me a moment to figure out what he was saying, and then I got it.

The caterpillar eats fruit.

The very hungry caterpillar, to be precise, who in six days' time ate a great deal of fruit, indeed.

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As we try for a second child, I feel more than a little greedy.  With all this staggering richness — and I do mean staggering, and lurching, and doing a hilarious flamenco of rage when he doesn't get his way — we dare to ask for more.  When I think of Charlie, I feel an awed humility: Aren't we lucky?  And isn't it grand?  We are, and it is, and that we'd seek to get lucky twice — well, after what it took to get here once, I know how much we're asking.

I've frequently seen infertile women discussing those who want another child.  They're either wistful or bitter, depending.  "I'd be happy," they say — and I said it, too — "with one."  And that's what does it: I am happy with one.  So happy that it's made me foolish, turned me greedy, and given me a nasty case of hubris.  (You just thought that was pink-eye.)

Several months ago, I wrote about the possibility of raising Charlie as an only child.  You all kindly shared your stories.  Kristin wrote something that's nagged at me ever since:

Shouldn't one miracle be enough? I am not at all religious, but I once asked a friend of mine who has one daughter whether she planned to have another child. She said, I feel like that would be saying to God, "This isn't enough." How could you ever look at your child and say that?

Shouldn't one miracle be enough?  Well, no!  If it's really that wondrous, that transformative, that miraculous — and Charlie is, just in what he means to me, not in how he came about — why should one be enough?  If it's that good, why on earth wouldn't we ask for more?  I don't look at Charlie and say I'm not satisfied.  That implies discontent.  No, I'm happy: I look at Charlie and say, "How could I not want another?"

I'm finding it different in every way to come at infertility treatment out of happiness.  So far, this isn't hard.  I'm not waiting to become a mother just once, worrying that it might never happen.  I haven't been blindsided by secondary infertility, shocked by my body's sudden failure after easily conceiving before.  If this doesn't work for us, and if we choose not to adopt, then the very worst thing that happens is that there's only Charlie.

And there's not much wrong with "only" when he picks up the cat's toy, flings it inexpertly down the stairs, and calls, "Mow!  Cat!"  Then turns to me smiling and says, "Cannapinna fall down."  He claps his hands.  "Hewway!"

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Caterpillar On Saturday, our gluttonous protagonist, the caterpillar, ate through one piece of chocolate cake, one ice cream cone, one pickle, one slice of Swiss cheese, one slice of salami, one lollipop, one piece of cherry pie, one sausage, one cupcake, and one slice of watermelon.  That night, he had a stomach ache!

Coincidentally, yesterday I did the same, if by "one ice cream cone" you mean "half a pint of Ben and Jerry's Half-Baked" and by "one slice of watermelon" you mean "the entirety of a one-pound box of Cheez-Its."  I am happy to say I felt fine.

Today is cycle day 29, and I am feeling the most premenstrual I have in years.  I feel bloated, oily, and tense.  I feel like my uterine lining is going to shoot out of my body in a single gory clump any minute now.  Once that forceful ejection has begun, I'll have an ultrasound on cycle day 2; if all is well, I'll start gonadotropins on cycle day 3.  And we'll just see how my needle-punched stomach feels then.

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I feel one is very lonely. When I see my daughter playing board games alone with name tags for other players it breaks my heart. I hear all the time I should not be complaining as "at least you have one child", but somehow the ache does not go away.

Miranda

Posted by: Miranda at Sep 17, 2006 4:32:11 PM

I forgot- Best of luck with your coming cycle.

Miranda

Posted by: Miranda at Sep 17, 2006 4:33:59 PM

I haven't been blindsided by secondary infertility, shocked by my body's sudden failure after easily conceiving before.

That above statement caught my attention more than any other in your post, for this is the place in which i find myself. It has been the most forcefully painful and disappointing experience of my life. I am an only, and have always wanted at least one sibling for my child for a variety of reasons. She wants one as well, with a hopefulness and passion that tears my heart out a piece at a time. She's four now, and often asks me why everyone else has brothers and sisters, but not her. She is the joy of my soul, and has been a profound delight and agent of change in my life. But yes, dammit, I do want more. All of us do. And I refuse to feel selfish. You are not selfish or wrong to want more bounty, either. I am glad that you are going for it; I fervently hope that another blessing is yours to embrace, very soon.

Posted by: Lydia at Sep 17, 2006 4:34:23 PM

Having been slapped up side the head by SIF, I get that "greedy" comment or look a lot. Its BECAUSE my children bring me such joy and happiness that I want to do this again. Who wouldn't want MORE joy and happiness?

Best of luck on this cycle!

Hugs,
K

Posted by: K&M at Sep 17, 2006 5:05:17 PM

I can't believe what that women wrote that somehow you are greedy to wish for a second child. Just because it takes us longer and more effort with fertility does not mean that we are somehow not allowed to wish for more children. It took us many years to get pregnant with our son and we are just starting the second year of trying for another baby. I have had people say well if it doesn't work at least you can be happy with one, I am so happy, but I want a sibling for him as much as I want another baby for myself. I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting more kids, I think it is a wonderful desire, and I hope all goes well for you and that before long Charlie will be holding a new brother or sister.

Posted by: Deana at Sep 17, 2006 5:08:13 PM

I have read your site for years now, but never responded. Thanks for the laughs. When I was faced with the decision of "tempting the gods" for another child after going through much of what you have to get our first. I just thought to myself, I am only here once, and I need to do what I can to make my life be what I want it to be. And not waste time worrying that I may be asking for too much. In life is there such a thing as too much happiness.
My family was rather angry at me, due to serious complications with my first birth, and my father said, "Why would you risk it, you already have one." I wouldn't have had her had I been scared to take a risk. My second child is so worth the calculated risks, and I wouldn't have changed a thing...Now, if I tried for a third...I might be pushing my luck.

Posted by: Ruth at Sep 17, 2006 5:13:44 PM

I, too, many a time uttered the "happy with just one" line. At the same time, I didn't fault people who might want to go through it all (again) to have more than that one, I just couldn't fathom how they could bear it given the hell that I found treatments to be. But now, at 14 weeks pregnant, I am just starting to realize what a difference it would make to be cycling with the hope of knowing that it can work and what a wonderful thing that is. Tons of luck to you-- I am greedy in that I would love nothing more than to hear about a second wonder in your life.

Posted by: Meredith at Sep 17, 2006 5:19:43 PM

I know this sounds potentially creepy and eugenics-y, but as a grad student who is always thinking of genetics, I say to you: Don't feel guilty about wanting a second child! Lord knows we need more babies in this world carrying your genes for incredible wit, compassionate sensitivity and impeccable grammar! :)

Best of luck, Julie (and Paul, and Charlie, and even the cat).

Posted by: Janna at Sep 17, 2006 5:28:21 PM

I bought into "you should be happy with one." I felt incredibly guilty about wanting another child and let the guilt make the decisions for me--Now I'm 43 and my son is 7 and I am 13 weeks pregnant (stim with IUI-1 round after a year and a half of trying "other things"). I am overwhelmed by the joy and grateful for the luck of having 1 good egg left (CVS all good). I no longer stay awake nights looking for the courage to live my life--Now the guilt I feel is that my son and daughter might feel more like 2 only children rather than truly siblings--on the other hand--I won't be paying two college tuitions at the same time!

Posted by: incredibly lucky at Sep 17, 2006 5:45:59 PM

We are incredibly lucky to have our first children. We are even incredibly luckier if we can have more. Each child is unique, special, a gift that once we have them we don't understand how we could have thouhght we could have lived without them.

Posted by: Linell at Sep 17, 2006 6:09:14 PM

My parents chose to only have one. I was easily conceived before they were 30. They each had their own reasons for wanting only one child, and their reasons were valid and respectable. However, on the opposite spectrum of what you are going through, so many people and strangers bugged them about having another child. It got to the point where my mother told questioners that she was unable to have more children so they would just shut up (and feel guilty for being so nosey). I dont think anyone should feel guilty for wanting more kids just as I dont think anyone should feel guilty for wanting only one. Julie, I think your reasoning of wanting more b/c it is so splendid is just as valid as not wanting more b/c it is so splendid.

Personally, I do want more than one. BUT, if I ever only have one, I know from personal experience that it is far from the worst thing that could happen. In fact, in many ways, it is quite lovely. We all know more than one family where the siblings hate/d each other, and who wants that for their children?? I have pictured having only one, and on many days, it feels quite comfortable :)

Posted by: Foster at Sep 17, 2006 6:14:09 PM

Yes, good God yes. As I struggle with the same question, I feel so much the same: is even daring to think of having another child somehow insulting to The Boy I do have?

Except for this: my brother has two (easily conceived) children and is now expecting his third. I would never dream of interpreting this abundant fertility as an insult to their first adored child.

Why should it be different for us?

Posted by: BrooklynGirl at Sep 17, 2006 6:17:53 PM

I think good parents should never feel guilty for wanting more children, especially people who go through so much to have the first one.

Posted by: malice at Sep 17, 2006 6:32:16 PM

Good lord, woman.. don't feel guilty about wanting another. If you want one.. go for it. Wishing you the best of luck this time! :)

Posted by: Andrea at Sep 17, 2006 6:45:42 PM

Shouldn't one miracle be enough?

To me, this is one more example of people failing to think of infertility as a legitimate medical issue.

Would anyone say to a woman needing treatment after a recurrence of cancer, "How dare you ask for chemo? You survived the first round of cancer, didn't you? How selfish to ask for a second miracle?"

Or to a man after a heart attack, "No physical therapy or nutritional counseling for you! You survived the first coronary - how presumptuous to think you deserve a chance to prevent a second one!"

Posted by: Sarah at Sep 17, 2006 6:53:00 PM

I agree with Brooklyn Girl: Why should it be different for us. Fertiles don't think twice about wanting another (though many of them should).

I just ate three chocolate chip cookies while I read your post and comments, by the way.

Posted by: chris at Sep 17, 2006 7:10:27 PM

Why should you -- or anyone else -- be satisfied with just one miracle? I have two 10-month-old miracles of my own and if I weren't so busy with them, I'd probably think about a third.

And don't think my miracles happened easily. My ancient eggs and sky-high FSH served me poorly over the course of 4 or 5 IVFs, leaving me with nothing but one blighted ovum and bruises on my ass.

As only children ourselves, we knew we wanted more than one child. And knowing how much I'd hate adoption (the process, not the end result), I knew I wouldn't want to go through it twice. Our solution was to adopt two at once. And every day with them is full of little miracles that steal my breath away.

Good luck on your upcoming cycle.

Posted by: Anne at Sep 17, 2006 7:31:53 PM

I haven't been lucky enough to have my first, we're still working on it. But I come from a family of three kids and my husband is one of four, I don't think I could have just one. It may be that circumstances dictate that we will only have one. But we should I (or anyone else) want to have a second, then who's got the right to tell me I can't?

Good luck to you and Paul with your upcoming cycle.

Posted by: Pam at Sep 17, 2006 7:37:02 PM

Maybe I'm an oddball, but I have never, even during primary IF, felt "if I could just have one." I've always felt robbed by infertility, robbed by being able to time when I wanted to have kids (gee, let's have a spring baby) or spacing (2.5 years is ideal), robbed by the inability to be normal like everyone else I seem to know. So, hell no, I don't feel greedy for wanting another one. I just want it to hurry up and happen already. I really wish you the best of luck this cycle. Depending on how dates/traveling fall, I may be cycling (FET) with you.

Posted by: Leggy at Sep 17, 2006 7:42:05 PM

I love, LOVE, the Very Hungry Caterpillar, and have memorized all the words through many tellings to our children. (First read it to them when they were babes in the NICU, needing to eat and grow big and fat, so they could get out of their incubators and fly away home.)
The kids like to act out the story, hatching out of an egg (my hug) and crawling around pretending to eat everything they see. I hug them again to make the cocoon, and finally they dance around as beautiful butterflies. Maybe Charlie would enjoy that?

Re: SIF, yes Charlie is a terrific blessing, and no you're not greedy to wish for another. I wish you all the very best for this cycle. You and Paul seem to be terrific parents, and I hope Charlie will have a younger sibling to boss around before long.

Posted by: SheilaC at Sep 17, 2006 7:50:42 PM

I think every woman who has struggled with i/f and succeeded in having a child has wondered this same thing. I know I did. I adore my first child, but as you said, why WOULDN'T you want more of these exquisite beings? I can't imagine looking at my first and saying, NAH, I don't need another. Well, of course I didn't NEED another in the way I needed to have him in the first place. Trying for a 2nd after i/f is, in my opinion, far easier than the struggle for the first. Because each failed cycle or m/c brings despair, quickly repaired by a smile from your miraculous child. Not to say the 2ndary i/f doesn't suck if you go through it, but it's certainly easier to deal with the disappointment when you already have a child you feel so blessed to have.

Don't ever feel that you aren't justified in wanting another. Very few people go into motherhood thinking that if they are lucky enough to get one, they won't ever try for another. I was lucky enough to have that 2nd miracle, and I thank god every day (well, MOST every day!) for the joy of my 2 boys..and the joy they bring each other. There is nothing sweeter than watching child #1 rejoicing in the developmental milestones & accomplishments of child #2. So I wish you the best of luck..Charlie will be an AMAZING big brother!!!

Posted by: Meredith at Sep 17, 2006 7:55:51 PM

When my husband and I were discussing expanding our family, he said simply, "I just think we have more to give." When I look at our new daughter, I couldn't agree more. Best of luck to you and your wonderful family.

Posted by: Laura at Sep 17, 2006 8:01:18 PM

It's so natural to want another child. I'd love another but my husband isn't keen. Nibbling chubby baby cheeks is incredibly addictive.
Good luck this time around.

Posted by: heather at Sep 17, 2006 8:08:42 PM

Of COURSE you want another one! Why wouldn't you when, as you pointed out, Charlie is so great. I don't see what's selfish about that at all.

Posted by: Flicka at Sep 17, 2006 8:33:17 PM

When 'normal' women get pg again, no one tells them they shouldn't ask for more. That is a horrible thing to say. You are doing all this work and if it is worth it to you then you should try to have as many 'miracles' as you can.

Good luck on your next cycle, I am just starting mine, so I will keep checking to see how you are progressing.

Posted by: Nicole at Sep 17, 2006 8:46:55 PM

how can you eat only half a pint of half-baked? i have never been able to stop there.

Posted by: crazyjane at Sep 17, 2006 8:53:14 PM

You nailed it, I think. I don't know what it feels like to come at it from your perspective or anyone elses but my own. Having five, I've often felt greedy.

But, dammit, I have something GREAT to offer these wonderful creatures... I am a good mother in a good marriage with a good life and while I sought them out for my own selfish reasons, in return for the gift I received with each of these children, I give back. I give myself 100%.

OK, maybe only 99.5%. I gotta hold a little out for Captain Jack Sparrow, in case he ever shows up at my door. ;)

Posted by: JustLinda at Sep 17, 2006 8:54:40 PM

My cat had a toy that was caterpillar-like, only it was flat and hairy. I called it "Hairy Tapeworm".

I am wishing you lots of the best in this cycle. Never feel guilty about your heart's promptings. There are some great comments here. All children coming to you are so blessed to have you for a mom.

Posted by: Jessica at Sep 17, 2006 9:19:04 PM

In a way, it is insulting to Charlie and whatever deity you prefer to NOT want another. It's like saying, "well, that's nice, but I wouldn't want another one". After all, isn't this the best praise you could offer- like 'imitation is the sincerest form of flattery'?

Good luck. The gene pool needs more intellegent and funny genes.

Posted by: nd at Sep 17, 2006 9:30:25 PM

Greedy? No way, man! You are trying for a sibling for Chaz, and for you guys, and I would never in a million years call that greed!

Mostly, we bitter IVF failures are angry with women who had one IVF success, then calls us angry, bitter, evil women because we don't agree that it is AS painful seeking #2, as it is seeking #1.

So, GOOD LUCK with your cycle!

Posted by: Erica at Sep 17, 2006 9:37:17 PM

I was shocked by secondary infertility. And unfortunately had more than a healthy dose of loss to go with it.

We wanted another *because* my son made us so happy. And then we wanted another because *he* wanted it so badly. And now, that we have our second child at long, long last, it's everything I ever hoped it could be. My heart is full to bursting and my son is just so proud of his baby brother that it makes me cry just to think about it.

Best of luck.

Posted by: callistawolf at Sep 17, 2006 9:50:01 PM

Good luck with the next cycle. Please don't feel guilty in any way, you want to bring another child into the world, there is nothing less selfish you can do.

Posted by: Anne at Sep 17, 2006 10:01:46 PM

Sure, one's enough and plenty and miraculous indeed. Two's enough too. Three might be enough. Who's to say how many is...enough? Here's to hopin' you hit the lottery again. Why not?!
Paz

Posted by: Paz at Sep 17, 2006 10:19:15 PM

Wow! You must have a webcam in my brain (a la "Being John Malkovich") because these are my thoughts too. I want a second child so much because my son has been such a pleasure in his short life. I look at pregnant women all the time now, just like when I was trying to get pregnant before "the D-man". And I look at other kids too, imagining them as his siblings.

But here's a funny ("ha ha" and "strange") thing: back in May 04, when I was lying on the OR table during the embryo transfer, I took my husband's hand and said, "this is the last time. I never want to go through this again." And I meant it then and meant it throughout my pregnancy, which was very easy until the last month.

I can't physically even try IVF again because my son's delivery resulted in a hysterectomy due to placenta accreta. So, I was OK for a year with the thought of just having one child.

But now, watching him take his first steps, learn new words every day, figure out how to turn on the bathtub faucet, etc, leaves me wanting another one.

I don't know what wisdom to pass on to you if this new IVF cycle doesn't work for you. But whether or not a pregnancy results, know that you have taken every step possible to make your dreams come true. What a great legacy to share with your family.

Posted by: Melissa at Sep 17, 2006 10:21:50 PM

I've been trying to think up metaphors that would work to explain why children can't be added up so 1+1=2 or 1<2 because it doesn't work that way. But so far no cigar.
The thing is, each of us has a dream of what "enough" is. For some of us it's seven (oh holy mother of God), for some it's one, for some it's two, etc.
My dream of enough was 2, and even as I held my long fought-for 1 in my arms, I mourned that #2 would never happen. It didn't decrease my enjoyment of her one bit, but I knew that inside me there would forever be an empty space which couldn't be filled by anyone except that missing #2. As you know, we were INSANELY lucky and #2 did come along. But he occupies his own space, he is his own miracle, separate and as wondrous as his sister.
I wish you much luck with this, Julie, and that all the empty spaces are filled.

Posted by: Menita at Sep 17, 2006 11:50:31 PM

When I was struggling with primary IF, I wasn't thinking about our ideal number of children at all. I was focused only on whether or not I would get to experience motherhood. I never, ever thought anyone was greedy for wanting the number of children they wanted -- it's just that I didn't relate at all to the "want another child" discussion because I was so focused on my fear of forever living involuntarily childless.

Now, thank everything that's good in the world, I'm experiencing motherhood. It is very difficult, though, knowing that every milestone with my babies might be the last, because it's unlikely I can have another. That knowledge shadows me constantly. And I will always feel alienated from the vast majority of people who can simply plan their family make-up (They plan! They plan their families!). I think it must be even more difficult with an "only," even though I grew up quite happily as an only myself.

I guess my point is that my SIF experience is just a completely different animal than my primary IF experience. I wouldn't go back to my primary IF world for anything, because that would mean my babies wouldn't be here.

But anyone who tells me I don't deserve to attempt to have as many more children as I can support and nurture risks a kick in the shin (okay, more likely a stiff tirade). Most positive life growth of any kind involves a person aspiring for and working toward more of what makes him or her happy. That doesn't make us ungrateful or greedy; it makes us human.

Posted by: J at Sep 18, 2006 12:16:09 AM

I got so caught up in this issue, I posted before I could say that I am hoping hard that your upcoming cycle is a happy one. I will be reading with fingers tightly crossed.

Posted by: J at Sep 18, 2006 12:18:18 AM

I know little about IVF (or having kids at all) aside from what I've read here, but I wanted to wish you the best of luck with your coming cycle. Any kid would be lucky to have a big brother like Charlie, and you and your family certainly deserve all the happiness in the world.

Posted by: Audrey at Sep 18, 2006 12:31:55 AM

In the face of such deep thought and careful consideration, I can only say "Oh my fucking God, your cat was such a cute kitten!"

Posted by: akeeyu at Sep 18, 2006 1:14:08 AM

Don't feel guilty...I see plenty of infertile couples every day who want another or did try for another because they felt it would complete their family. (I'm a pediatric nurse.) Best of luck on this cycle...and Charlie will be a great big brother. :) Especially as he teaches the new one where the cat hides its toys.

Posted by: Audrey (another one!) at Sep 18, 2006 1:34:51 AM

Most of us have always known we wanted "kids", very few of us ever stipulated "just one." Don't worry about greed being a factor, because when it comes to kids it simply isn't a factor. Wanting a sibling for Charlie is natural.
I remember when Charlie was born, my daughter and I were so excited for you! Best of luck to the three of you. If anyone is going to get all she wants out of her life, it's YOU, Julie!!

Posted by: Serina at Sep 18, 2006 3:35:32 AM

I was an only child until I was 10 and hated it. I would never wish only-child-dom on anyone.

That said, I am a year and a half into fertility treatments and have never even achieved moving forward on a single IVF cycle because I'm a "poor responder" and have ovarian cysts (not PCOS, though). Funny, cuz when my husband wanted to stall a year and a half ago with starting fertility treatments, my biggest complaint was that I wouldn't even get to have my second child until I was 42. Well, I'm turning 41 in a month and still don't have number 1.

I just discovered this site earlier this year. I'm kinda excited that you're starting treatments again and hope I get to be pregnant the same time you are!

That said, my secret wish is to finally get a couple embroyos that will turn into twins or my first child and then implant as soon as child one is born and start number 2. See, I can still hope. It's just really boring only having one's parents to play with as a child.

Posted by: Tracy at Sep 18, 2006 6:07:41 AM

Julie, I completely understand. I have 2 miracles and yet here I go on the path to a third. As you said, how could you not want another. After a huge struggle to have #1 I have been extremely lucky to conceive 2 and 3 naturally and easily, yet I get severe m/s for 9 months, so for me the guilt comes from depriving my 2 of a healthy, functioning Mummy for 9 months. But then I see the joy they get from each other and think surely another sibling is worth it.

Have to add we LOVE that book. The other day my 2yo did something and I called her a "silly sausage". You could see her mind ticking over looking for a comeback, finally she said "you a stomach ache!".

Posted by: gkk at Sep 18, 2006 6:46:37 AM

I feel exactly the same way you do. My long awaited ivf conceived daughter is 20 months old and we are in the middle of the 2ww for our quest for #2. This cycle has been an absolute breeze compared to the others. Being able to laugh with your happy toddler every day certainly makes all the difference. I really hope I can maintain this positive attitude if this cycle doesn't work out. I would love nothing more than to add another child to our family, but I know deep in my heart that my perfect daughter is more than enough if that is what's meant to be.

Posted by: Reb at Sep 18, 2006 6:54:44 AM

If you are greedy, then I'm greedy to the tenth power. I have twins, and people are always saying "you got it done in one shot" and "you don't have to go through blah blah" again. But I want to! I loved being pregnant, I love watching them grow, I love how they are emerging as their own personalities. I love my boys, but I would love to try for a girl. Greedy greedy greedy! I would love to know what it is like to just have one crying baby at a time...even if he/she had two older toddler brothers. I hate thinking that I got it all done in one shot (or several hundred shots, as the case may be) My mom had three, my grandmother 3, my MIL 6...why shouldn't I have that choice?

Posted by: Chickenpig at Sep 18, 2006 7:28:59 AM

Good luck.

I don't question your desire to pursue a second miracle at all. (I wouldn't question your desire not to, either.) I'm sitting here on a Monday morning, my three kids off at kindergarten, and the silence is so strange. I miss even the sound of them fighting together.

Having siblings in your house is amazing.

Posted by: Jody at Sep 18, 2006 8:29:11 AM

I understand. Go for it.

Also, what Akeeyu said. That link should have had a 'Contains Fluffy Kitten Warning'.

Posted by: Alchemilla at Sep 18, 2006 8:41:56 AM

Good luck, Julie!!!

Posted by: amanda at Sep 18, 2006 9:00:07 AM

The whole issue of gratitude became, for me, just one more thing to beat myself up with when I was in the throes of SIF: "Not only do I have crappy eggs, but I am clearly not grateful enough for the kid I do have, or why would I be so miserable? I am a bad person. A bad person with bad eggs. I do not deserve another child."

Having other people point out that I already had one fantastic kid--very helpful.

Posted by: Slim at Sep 18, 2006 9:07:29 AM

This is the thing- why is it that only people have secondary infertility issues are considered greedy or ungrateful for wanting more? For wanting siblings? Isn't the U.S. made up of families with 2.4 children? So most people consider 2 children ideal, so want more, some want less, but most consider 2 reasonable. Why should you or anyone else be considered greedy for pursuing what is basically the norm?

You want another kid to light up your world and Charlie's world, just like you have experienced with Charlie. Go for it without hesitation, you aren't a glutton, you are normal.

Posted by: Lisa V at Sep 18, 2006 9:12:49 AM

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