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04/11/2007

Make up your own clever title. I'm busy being sincere.

One thing any infertile person has to do, when considering whether or how to proceed, is to ask, "Am I ready?"  Am I ready to take more serious medical measures?  Am I ready to adopt?  Am I ready to live without children?  Am I ready to move on, change course, take on a new gamut of obstacles?  Can I handle the repercussions of whatever the next step might be?  That's what I am asking myself, both here on my blog and in my mind, a thousand times a day.

Sometimes the answers come easily.  It was no surprise to hear back in 2002 that IVF represented our best chance for pregnancy and birth.  Because I'd been diagnosed with extensive endometriosis, I'd already known my fertility might be compromised.  Because I was already a seasoned veteran of the pelvic wars, I had no fear of the process.  Because I was relatively young — 31 — I had a reasonable expectation of success.  There was very little to come to terms with.  Having a plan, especially one that seemed so promising, was a relief.  Easy.  Even exciting, something I felt good about.  I was ready.

Sometimes the answers come hard.  Five years later, here we are, with exponentially more knowledge, experience, pain, and joy to complicate what once felt like such a clear-cut issue.  Am I ready for the realization that my body has given up on itself?  No, but there it is anyway.  Am I ready to abandon the notion of pregnancy, given how very, very badly I do it?  Apparently not, because damned if there aren't four information packets on egg donation sitting on my desk right now.  But am I ready to tell my liver, my pancreas, and my inherited hypercoagulability to go fuck themselves and each other — go on, I'll wait while you work out that visual — and try?  I guess I'm not, because there those packets sit, mostly unread.

The same is true of adoption.  For me, the answers aren't coming easily.  I have been trying to feel ready — probably even trying to force it, because it is clear to my rational mind that when one objectively considers the facts, adoption is obviously the best choice for us.  The trouble is, there is more to any of us than just a rational mind and a neatly ranked list of pros and cons.  In me, there's a sad and uncertain heart terrified of courting more loss.  I am well aware that there are no guarantees about anything, ever.  But how on earth do you decide which particular flavor of loss you're most comfortable inviting in?

What I hoped to consider in my last post was the question of whether I could proceed despite the worry that I am not yet ready for adoption, and count on time spent waiting and the prospect of an as-yet-unknown child to make me ready, to make me receptive to the magic I know adoptive families feel.  I wanted to know whether others had faced that same question, whether others had continued with adoption despite lingering concerns.  No one, of course, can answer my question for me, but I learn a great deal from what you all tell me about your own lives, and am always heartened to be reminded that whatever we go through, we are never the only ones.  I'm grateful to each of you who shared your stories.

That's not to say, however, that some of the comments didn't bother me.  I try very hard to be precise when I write, especially when dealing with sensitive subjects like this one.  When something I've written causes controversy, I first examine my writing to see whether I've expressed myself badly.  That's far easier than examining my conscience, which is the necessary next step if I've said what I truly meant to say, and far more productive than wondering how the hell an acknowledgement of "the love I don't doubt" earned a long string of both assurances that I would love an adopted child, as if I'd seemed to need them, and cautionary tales of adoptive families where that love was not a given.  Because I don't really know what to do with those, except to throw my hands up in exasperation.  And when my liver, pancreas, and inherited hypercoagulability are already getting restive, making sudden moves could well do me in entirely, so go easy on that, huh?

Anyway, I did, in one respect, express myself badly — or revealed all too much, I'm not sure which.  I said, " It's that certainty I envy, the knowledge that [adoption], at last, is what you truly want instead of what you're merely settling for."  That was clumsy, and I regret it. I do not believe I accused any adoptive parent of having settled for anything; I meant to acknowledge, in fact, that I know they didn't, and to lament my own disappointing limitations.  But by even typing the word "settle," I needlessly clouded the point I hoped to make, and I wish I hadn't done that.

The point, which most of you understood, was that adoption still does feel to me like an uneasy compromise.  What I am coming to understand, and what your comments have helped to clarify for me, is that I am not yet ready.  My reservations are so numerous and dense that I can hardly untangle them in my own mind, much less detail them here, but in general they have to do with loss: my own loss of any biological connection to a child, which still seems to matter a great deal to me; the loss inherent in abandoning my own body's reproductive potential, no matter how feeble that is; the loss of yet another layer of privacy and autonomy; and, most troubling to me, the loss both a child and his birth parents may experience even in the happiest adoption scenarios.  To be sure, loss is part of the human condition, but it is proving difficult for me to believe I could help ease someone else's while I am still so wrapped up in my own.

It is altogether too easy to come at this from the wrong direction.  When every available option feels like it has serious drawbacks, it's tempting to decide based on which one seems least unpalatable.  I can stew for months — have done already — about why adoption doesn't feel right for us just now, and I can try very hard to overcome those objections by force-feeding myself information and anecdotes.  It can become an endless mental exercise, one that's encouraged by every well-meaning friend and relative who's ever said, "Why not just adopt?"  But it's ultimately a pointless one.  Some of you said so gently, with great kindness, and I thank you for your compassion and patience as I work through what should have been obvious: Building a family isn't Getting to Yes.  I don't want to adopt, don't want to do anything, in fact, unless and until I feel actively good about it.

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Comments (138)

I think you're very right, that adoption isn't getting to yes. Not even ivf is! In our case, medical intervention was "settling" though we jumped in several times with both feet. I know now that my daughters, adopted from Ethiopia, were meant to be my children. I don't think I could love them more even if they popped right out of me. Listen to your own heart.

xoxo
Beth

Posted by: Beth at Apr 11, 2007 2:58:19 PM

I understood you Julie. Seemed perfectly clear to me.

Posted by: leigh at Apr 11, 2007 3:07:48 PM

Gosh, you're so smart and so self aware. Life is a process. This journey (all the heck of it) you (and your family) are on is a process. These entries are snapshots of the moments in that process.

Please don't stress too much over the perfection of your words. They are words and their potential for miscommunication is as precious as the communication they provide. Its really okay that your reach exceeds your grasp.

I, for one, am grateful to be able to see someone else process (okay, not using that word again) through this. This is no longer my journey (I stand on the other bank with wee ones at my side), but I will face others and just seeing how you are working through this gives me strength.

Keep up the good work. You'll get there, whatever the heck there is supposed to look like.

Kel

Posted by: Kel at Apr 11, 2007 3:09:13 PM

I find that the most frustrating time in life is when you feel that something different should be done, but you have no idea what that something is. All of the available options suck and don't feel right. All you can do is wait until the one that does feel right comes along. Who the hell knows when that will be? If ever. But there is just nothing to be done except keep living and tuck away that secret hope until the answer reveals itself.

Posted by: Carrie Jo at Apr 11, 2007 3:15:48 PM

When in doubt, don't.

Posted by: LeeAnn at Apr 11, 2007 3:20:53 PM

I really appreciate and admire you sharing your very real, sometimes unpretty thoughts on this (and other) subjects--especially knowing that doing so can open you up to some pretty fierce criticism.

It has sounded to me, these past few months, like the loss of IVF as an option for a second child has been tremendously difficult and upsetting for you. Given that, I would think it important to come to terms with that loss--to mark it, to mourn it, to process it both intellectually and emotionally--before jumping into anything. It sounds like that's where you are now.

If you're not ready, you're not ready. Perhaps one day the desperate desire for a second child will override these fears and concerns; perhaps not. I hope however it resolves, you find some peace.

Posted by: Jen at Apr 11, 2007 3:31:05 PM

I've been thinking about you a lot these last few weeks and wishing that I could do something, anything to help you in some small way. I have been struggling with my own decision regarding adding another child to my family, but my circumstances are vastly different from yours. I suppose that studying, analyzing, and searching is more what we do to busy our minds while we wait for some clear decision to settle upon us than the actual means to discovering the decision. Isn't there eventually some leap of faith that each of us must make, regardless of which action we choose? Do you believe that one shining "correct" path will reveal itself? Or do you think that one option will begin to feel somewhat more comfortable than another, while you mostly still feel undecided and could still be persuaded to do something differentbutyouarejustsosickofthewholethingthatyoucloseyoureyesandpicksomethingoutofahatandgowithit? I believe that my lack of action will eventually annoy me to the point that I will simply make a choice, accept that it has disadvantages, and move on to dealing with whatever it brings. You and Paul will find your way, Julie. I'll be thinking of you.

Posted by: Jennifer at Apr 11, 2007 3:32:05 PM

I'm the opposite of you, Julie. From around the time of my life when having children became a reasonable idea (rather than a cause for panic), I knew I wanted to adopt. I have zero drive to have biological children. Nada. In fact, the very concept of that drive is foreign to me!

(And when my first husband and I decided to try to get pregnant, I found out that it wouldn't happen without some degree of intervention and.. that was it for me! I was doubly positive it wasn't the route I wanted..)

There are things we "just know" in our hearts - our souls, maybe. And while time can soften that or even change it, looking at all the pros and cons doesn't usually work.

If your gut says no, you don't have to question it. Ever.

(And if you change your mind later and decide "hey, let's adopt!" there is no age restriction - unlike the 'normal' pregnancy stuff! There's no biological issues to deal with other than being in decent health to keep up with a new child!)

Posted by: Violet at Apr 11, 2007 3:36:32 PM

Don't think you are weak for feeling what you feel - I think you are incredibly strong for not being afraid to feel it and admit to these feelings. Your family will be better off for it, no matter what your family looks like in the end.

I haven't read every comment on every post, but I wonder if seeing a counselor who has experience with infertility might help?

Posted by: Kristina at Apr 11, 2007 3:50:21 PM

It's a hard decision to make and I applaud the time that you're taking with it. Whether or not you offend me, the reader, is secondary to the emotions that you are working out on your own. Keep it up. The answer will come.

Posted by: VirtualSprite at Apr 11, 2007 3:51:52 PM

I admire the hell out of your honesty and your bravery.

May you have a lifetime of things you feel actively good about.

Posted by: BrooklynGirl at Apr 11, 2007 3:53:37 PM

Sometimes imagination helps me. When I am not sure about an important decision, I imagine that I've already made that decision, and how I would feel. For example, when I'm feeling like I can't stand my job any more, I imagine myself in a new job, at a new company, and compare how I feel to how I feel in my current job. So far I've always found myself feeling that staying in my current job is the right thing. Back when I was trying to decide to have children, I imagined myself with a child. It never seemed like the right picture. I could imagine having it, but not raising it. There are too many good reasons for me not to have a child, even though I truly wish that were not so (which is probably why I lurk here so often). I don't know if this will help you, but I thought maybe you could imagine 5 years down the line, with and without an adopted baby. Does it feel right, or does it feel like you settled for less? Either decision could be the "right" decision. Heck, both might be "right". Maybe you'll be just as happy whether you adopt or not. Good luck with your decision, either way, and I'm glad you got that little boy. Back to lurking.

Posted by: Diane at Apr 11, 2007 3:53:39 PM

:) In contrast to myself, I love that you are honest with yourself, and able to take the time to make the right choice for your family. Me.. I rush headlong by the seat of my pants into everything.

It's your enlightenment that keeps me coming back. The questions you are asking, are often the ones I should be asking myself.

Posted by: Winter at Apr 11, 2007 4:02:17 PM

I would agree that a stupid thing to say to an infertile is "why not just adopt?"

Well, DUH.

But it's SO much more complex than that.

Please know, that as a fellow infertile, we got there pretty fast. We simply realized that we wanted to be parents, nothing more. It ultimately didn't matter WHOSE uterus it came from.

And really. That's all it is. a uterine mind fuck, if you will.

Before we were ready? If someone had said that to me, I'd have smacked them.

But now? I'm on the other side, and it's BEAUTIFUL.

Posted by: shelli at Apr 11, 2007 4:04:40 PM

I know a hypothetical second child for me would not involve my innards. (Too risky.) The idea of adoption floats around in the back of my mind. Maybe a Chinese tot (which would only be halfway a transracial adoption because my husband's Asian), either a girl (a daughter!) or a boy (China does adopt out some boys, mainly those with special needs or medical issues). Or maybe an older kid from foster care (any race—hell, we've got a couple of races represented in the household already, so what's one or two more?), so that the kids would be closer in age (my son turns 7 this month) and because I've got experience with a modicum of special needs. But special needs aren't fun! It would be a treat to have a kid without an assured set of problems.

But—and here's where the reservations come in—if we adopted a girl, we'd have to buy a place with a third bedroom, and the city we love is expensive, and if we spent so much money on housing, our overall standard of living would drop, and that second kid's college fund might be smaller. Maybe two boys could share a room, but this place isn't big enough for four people and all their stuff. (We have just two closets for clothes and junk, plus a linen closet.)

And I treasure the free time I have to just be inside my head. Adding another kid would cut into that. If the kid needed a psychologist or an OT or whatever, those appointments would cut into after-school/homework time for both kids. There'd be fewer resources—emotional, financial, practical, temporal—to devote to the kid I've already got. You wouldn't believe how much time it takes just to get through his first-grade homework each day!

Yes, people who get pregnant on their own and have more than one kid deal with those issues every day. But we'd have to spend time and money (a lot of it, too, for an international, non-foster-care adoption) in order to start dealing with them.

And I dunno, having just the one kid can be stressful enough. My son says he wishes he had a brother, but I dunno. I'm conflicted. Maybe I'm not built to be a mother to more than one kid.

I'd write all this up as a blog post of my own, but then people would feel compelled to comment on it, and I sure as hell am not prepared for that! The nebulous non-decision fog I'm in is working out OK for me right now, as it has for years.

(P.S. My pancreas and liver are coexisting nicely, but my kidneys keep challenging each other to Ultimate Visceral Fighting Championship bouts.)

Posted by: Orange at Apr 11, 2007 4:05:04 PM

I am in awe of your abilitiy to express yourself in words, your blog is always a pleasure to read. We have considered adoption and came up with a no. I was worried that I wouldn't be able to bond, that I wouldn't love someone else's baby as much as my own. I hope you can get to your answer in time, don't rush.

Posted by: Crysty at Apr 11, 2007 4:12:02 PM

sounds like you got a plan for now.
that is a good thing.
much luck.

Posted by: gawdess at Apr 11, 2007 4:19:54 PM

Julie, as a long-time reader, fellow infertile and now mom of 2 fabulous girls who happen to be adopted, I thank you for this second post. I do think the first one set off nerves in the adoptive community, but mostely, it was some of the comments that your readers left. Everyday of my life, I am confronted by people who ask me or my children inappropriate questions. At 4 years of age, my oldest already is tired of being asked where she is from or how expensive she was. If I dind't know 100% before-hand that this was the right thing for our family, I don't think I would be able to handle the constant verbal-garbage thrown our way. So I am glad that you are aware enough of your feelings to know that you aren't there yet. It doesn't mean you won't be eventually, but it certainly means that you shouldn't be filing paper work and hoping that you "get there" before the baby comes to you. Certainly, any good social worker would recognise this during a home-study and slow you down until you were indeed ready. But to come to that realisation on your own is more empowering.

Posted by: mortimersmom at Apr 11, 2007 4:22:41 PM

I understand. I was ready to adopt way before my DH was. He felt like adopting was our very last option and wasn't very open to it at all. Some of that stemmed from his parents. His mother told him on multiple occasions that he would have "children of his own," which, of course, made me feel great as the infertility is on my side.

But you know what, one day - Christmas Eve in fact - he was watching a tv show about an adoption program to help special needs children in China. It hit him hard and with a vengeance. We were signed up with an agency a few weeks later.

When you're ready, you'll know.

And on a side note, I can't get rid of my in-laws. They're always around wanting to see our daughter...I guess now she's "one of their own".

Posted by: tricia at Apr 11, 2007 4:25:05 PM

One of my life mantra is "when in doubt, leave it out." Not to sound trite about the topic, because I'm actually going through the same exact thing (coming to terms with the fact that I can never have another pregnancy, but do love the one beautiful son I was able to so miserably conceive & birth, and so hate the fact that I am not afforded a "do over" to try to do my next pregnancy better). Anyway, I use that life mantra when I don't know whether my scarf matches my outfit or something like that, and it seems to work well for most of my decisions. I do think it may work well for you, at least for right now. When in doubt, just leave it out. Walk away from it, concentrate on other things, revisit it later.

Posted by: Wendy at Apr 11, 2007 4:28:21 PM

When we gave up on trying to have a biological child, I knew I wasn't ready for adoption because when I thought about it, it made me sad. I had no interest in pursuing adoption as a second choice or backup option, and the sadness I felt was part of the grieving process I needed to go through to give up the dream of a child that was biologically part of me and my husband. So for about two years, we assumed we would be childless, aka the "more money for us" plan. And then one day, the thought of adopting passed through my mind and brought a smile to my face. And then I knew I was ready. Not a moment before that. And now, two years home from China with my daughter, it is exactly as I would want it to be.

Posted by: Kristina Nguyen at Apr 11, 2007 4:50:28 PM

I don't want to adopt, don't want to do anything, in fact, unless and until I feel actively good about it.

That is the important thing. You have to make the right decision for YOUR family. You. Not the internets, not the anon commentors.

If you don't feel comfortable with adoption, then don't. It is your choice. It's not a life long thing. You can always revisit this decision later...

Posted by: Spacemom at Apr 11, 2007 4:54:24 PM

As always, beautifully and perfectly said.

Posted by: Anjali at Apr 11, 2007 5:06:52 PM

I understood what you had said last time, you said it well.

You know, it's interesting that you're not comfortable with the idea of adopting, at least right now, and that's fine. But you also don't put it away, either, so you're apparently also not comfortable with NOT adopting. Maybe it's the NOT doing it that you need to focus on to make things more clear.

Posted by: Nancy at Apr 11, 2007 5:28:36 PM

What Brooklyn Girl said.

Posted by: kate at Apr 11, 2007 5:30:40 PM

*sighs*

I admire your honesty, to us readers but mostly i admire how honest you can be to yourself.

*applauds*

Posted by: Nienuh at Apr 11, 2007 5:40:24 PM

You are wise to listen to your heart. Infertility is a process of milestones and benchmarks -- and a wierd one because we all hope we can hop off the path with a baby before we have to reach the next stopping point. But at each milestone -- the diagnosis, the end of the IUI process, the end of the IVF process -- we have to say goodbye to the babies we might have had. When I was diagnosed with infertility, it took me a long time to bid farewell to the possibility I would conceive without medical intervention. I believe that at each infertility milestone, our hearts must say goodbye to the babies we might have had along that stretch before they can endure the next leg of the journey. When your heart is ready to move forward, it will let you know.

Posted by: en at Apr 11, 2007 5:57:39 PM

This was really helpful. Thank you for taking the time to clarify that when you said, "I'm ambivalent about adoption" you weren't saying "I'm not sure I would love an adopted child." I mean, I know you said that in your original post but you made it clearer here for those of us who are slow.

I didn't understand how important the process is for you. I kept thinking you were writing about the second child, not the means of becoming its parent. I'm sorry I misunderstood.

Posted by: victoria at Apr 11, 2007 5:59:11 PM

Wow, I really admire your eloquence, bravery and honesty. I am in awe of your stength to put out the tough questions, the raw emotions. Bravo.

Posted by: christine at Apr 11, 2007 6:07:32 PM

I just took a look at Chicago Mom's blog. Wow. What a self-righteous, redundant asshole she is. Is there not a spell-check function on her blog? Could she like, maybe, use it? A little bit?

Posted by: amy at Apr 11, 2007 6:37:05 PM

I think you were perfectly clear; but whenever I hit other people's hot-button words they tend to shut right down and not understand another word and then I have to wade through everybody else's stuff, generally when I least feel like it. Hate that. I think you're being responsible and that you are in motion even if it feels like standing still.

Posted by: Joy at Apr 11, 2007 6:39:22 PM

Best of luck to you, Julie. I changed my mind on a daily basis about what to do--gonadotropins, donor eggs, adoption. I had persuasive arguments for and against every option. In the end, I was comfortable with doing some IUIs, and called it good enough. Doesn't mean I don't live with regrets.

It's surprising how much vituperation that discussion has whipped up on other blogs. Comparing opinions on adoption to racist stereotyping, as one blogger did? Labeling such opinions and experiences--that is, those the commenters on the other blog disagreed with--as "incorrect thoughts"? It's actually a bit scary.

Posted by: Kathy W. at Apr 11, 2007 7:01:21 PM

I understand what you are saying very well. There is a grieving that must be done after each failed cycle and failure of your body. For me, what made the difference in being able to move to adoption was the ol' chestnut that the definition of insanity was repeating the same action over and over, yet expecting a different outcome.

My body did not and will not cooperate with my getting pregnant and staying pregnant. Let's also not forget that I was not getting any younger.

There came a point when the focus turned to being a mother rather than getting pregnant. Being a mom was what I wanted. I didn't want to stay stuck in limbo, flogging my body to get it to do something it clearly didn't want to do. I've generally been a decisive person, not one to be comfortable with limbo and indecision. So I knew that I had to move on, for my future motherhood and for my sanity. There was so much more to me than fertility treatments and ultrasound. I have so much love to give to a child. Thus there was only one real option: move to adoption and become a mommy.

This is not to say that I don't still grieve the fact that I will not ever be pregnant or have biological children. But like the loss of a loved one, the pain will hopefully lessen over time. Yet I have chosen to move on so that I end up with the thing I want more than anything: a child to call my own.

Posted by: Liana at Apr 11, 2007 7:12:44 PM

I dunno, I thought your first entry was pretty clear. You were trying to embark on the adoption journey with unfettered joy but instead felt mostly unsure and bewildered. What's not to get?

I didn't share anything at the time because frankly, you get tons of comments and I'm not sure mine will contribute much to your thought process. So many people will say the same thing I wanted to but with better style.

If you're not ready, you're not. And I'm glad you can go there and face that like the mature woman you are. One day you may be ready or maybe you'll go the rest of your life with Charlie as your only pride and joy. Either way, Julie, honesty with yourself is a quality that will serve you better than anything else. You done good, kid.

Posted by: Flicka at Apr 11, 2007 7:19:56 PM

Reproduction gets awfully complicated once you start adding third parties. For me, once I made peace with the fact that I couldn't have a biological child, I decided that I wanted to pursue donor eggs pretty quickly. It felt right. Of course there were issues and concerns and I still worried about my future child's loss of a genetic link, but all that felt manageable. The process was very hard, though, and I can't imagine going through it without feeling wholeheartedly that it was right for everyone in our family, both current and potential members. I think you are asking all the right questions and being honest with yourself, and that's really all you can do.

Posted by: Karen at Apr 11, 2007 7:51:26 PM

I love, love, LOVE the insight you're gaining. You fucking nailed it.

Well done.

Posted by: Paula at Apr 11, 2007 7:59:21 PM

Thank you for pouring your guts out on that post. It was beautiful to read. I can only imagine your reaction to some of the posts, this is a touchy subject (adoption v ivf) and one that too many are willing to give me their opinion on although I am only mildly out of the closet about my fertility issues and really don't give a hoot what they think.
Thank you for thinking, feeling and forming your opinions honestly and out-loud on your blog, its a huge blessing to me (and countless others). I haven't said this in years, but, "you go girl"

Posted by: June Heller at Apr 11, 2007 8:09:45 PM

Good for you, Julie. Take the time you need. You've been through a lot.

Posted by: Cindy at Apr 11, 2007 8:52:12 PM

I so admire your commitment to waiting until you can be joyous about you decision, to working through all the concerns both ethical and emotional and, mostly, your generosity in not only sharing your deepest worries with us but even soliciting our stories. I didn't comment on the last post because I could just smell the inflamed nerves and I simply couldn't manage to craft something eloquent that would 1. express how dh and I were more than ready to tell ART not to let the door hit it on the ass on the way out, 2. not sound like smoke-blowing propaganda for adoption, 3. but still show my desire to be an ambassador for adoptive families everywhere, because I think our kids (and by "our kids" I mean children of adoption) need the adults in their lives to actively portray adoption as a "every bit as good" method of family building where children are loved and cherished regardless of genetic links and 4. oh, yeah, be actually helpful to you. It was just too much for me, especially when I felt my own defensiveness rising in my throat. I guess it's hard for some adoptive parents to remember what it was like back when we were reaching our decision, before everything was made so clear by the love we feel for our kids.

Posted by: eliz at Apr 11, 2007 8:52:36 PM

missed the flames, and think you were prefectly clear to another mom of one child who struggles with next steps...adoption floats through my head but I am not there.

I think what is so had is that NOT doing something means you are DOING something - ie, chosing to have one child. That feels to me as big a decision as chosing to try to have more.

Post was a wonderful read - thank you.

Posted by: jb at Apr 11, 2007 9:01:52 PM

Enjoy Charlie. His language skills being what they are, in three weeks, he'll be telling you what to do.

Posted by: Lili at Apr 11, 2007 9:12:08 PM

Like just about everyone else on the Interwebs?

Posted by: nina pronounced nine-a at Apr 11, 2007 9:20:47 PM

Julie, I have a dumb question: Would you be the egg donor or use an egg donor and carry the baby? The latter seems so dangerous for you -- what is the upside?
Wishing you endless luck and love.

Posted by: Vanessa at Apr 11, 2007 9:21:03 PM

Julie -- I feel like apologizing, too. I read in a subsequent comment that someone took offense to my offhanded, somewhat thoughtless remark, "Take it from me. I know[,]" in relation to being quite hesitant about adoption (and ultimately choosing egg donation). As this reader pointed out, this is one of the most SUBJECTIVE experiences anyone can have, and she is right. But, as you so rightly pointed out in this post, I was merely sharing my own experience and describing the same ambivalence that you appear to have toward adoption at this juncture. I would NEVER pretend to have all the answers vis-a-vis infertility; I know what worked for my husband and me and that's merely what I was sharing. So, to the extent anyone was offended or taken aback, my apologies. (I suppose it doesn't help that I usually read your blog and comment after dinner and a glass or two of wine; I'm not writing with real semantical accuracy.)

Whatever you choose to do, Julie, if anything at all, I applaud you and Paul for having the moral courage to follow your heart(s).

Posted by: Stacey at Apr 11, 2007 9:28:49 PM

I hear you on the loss.

I want to adopt, I want an open adoption, because I feel attracted to the entanglement, the complexity, the work of honesty. My partner, not so much. He doesn't like the idea of lifelong relationships with "strangers." I think this has something to do with my lack of a stable, large family and deep desire to have connections and his sense that he has plenty of family, likes them lots and doesn't need more.

But my desire for a family, for a child, to be a mother, the joy I feel just thinking about mothering, is hard to square with my growing awareness of how hard placing a child is for mothers. I relate especially to that piece of your reservations. I know that people make it work, but I need to read more and think more and talk more before I know that I can make it work.

I always appreciate your framing of issues. It is why we all keep coming around. Or maybe it is your mad photoshop skills.

Posted by: anon at Apr 11, 2007 9:54:31 PM

My completely uneducated and ignorant opinion is that it might be partly like pregnancy. In that someone who gets pregnant might not feel ready to have a baby, but by the time the baby comes out, they're ready. Of course, they don't have any choice at that point, but you know what I mean.

So maybe you'd feel the same way about adopting??? The process might be hard and incredibly sucky at times, but by the time you have a kid in your arms, you'll feel ready?

It must be really hard to make these decisions, Julie. Good luck.

Posted by: Meg at Apr 11, 2007 10:07:19 PM

The reasons don't matter - they really, truly don't. Acknowledging those reservations, giving them proper credit despite what must be tremendous pressure (both internal and external) to put on a cheery face and embrace the whole adoption process... people are rarely so true to themselves. Even less so when it comes to choices this polarized. I so wish that you had happiness and clarity rather than the current uncertainty and sadness - but the way you're moving through this journey is fucking awe-inspiring, woman.

Posted by: Jul at Apr 11, 2007 10:12:29 PM

Thank you for writing such a thoughtful follow-up. For the record, I thought your previous post was very clear, and as a member of the "adoptive community" I didn't take offense at all at "settling." When I was going through the adoption process, I had two good friends experiencing infertility. Both were thinking about adoption as a next step. One was reluctant because she was heartbroken about not being able to achieve a pregnancy. The other could have cared less about the pregnancy but was horrified at the thought of a social worker coming into her home and asking all kinds of questions. Both stunned me because I had never considered either viewpoint before. I was relieved to get off the pregnancy train, and I saw the social worker as a tiresome but minor obstacle. The experience taught me a lot about how differently people perceive their choices.

Posted by: Denise at Apr 11, 2007 10:39:04 PM

Ok I'm going to come out of "lurkdome" to be a bitch (probably not the best idea) When you wrote this..."One thing any infertile person has to do, when considering whether or how to proceed, is to ask, "Am I ready?" Am I ready to take more serious medical measures? Am I ready to adopt? Am I ready to live without children? Am I ready to move on, change course, take on a new gamut of obstacles? Can I handle the repercussions of whatever the next step might be? That's what I am asking myself, both here on my blog and in my mind, a thousand times a day." It drive me nuts... absolutely fucking nuts... "Am I ready to live without children" I would think you of all people would know why you (a person WITH a child) saying something like that is crazy... YOU HAVE A CHILD... you dont have the option of going thru life without one now... Me and others like me have to think that...This is why the whol "secondary infertility" thing doesnt make much sense to me, really you have a child. Think back a few years and think how you just wanted to have a child, now you do and it seems like that's just not good enough... You can be missing him growing up because your so focused on getting pregnant again, even if you end up as sick as you did last time. What if something awful happen if you got pregnant. Wouldn't your son feel like he wasn't good enough "mom had to risk her life to have a baby"... Sorry this is coming across so rude. I'm sure I will get tons of shit for it... That's fine, it's my opinion and I felt like I should share it...

Whatever you do I hope you (and your family) are always in good health.

Take care
D

Posted by: D at Apr 11, 2007 11:24:37 PM

I pursued adoption a few years ago when I thought I was at the end of the IVF road: 3 BFNs and about to undergo my 4th cycle (FET), fully expecting the usual bad outcome. To lessen the finality of it all, I looked into international adoption--paid $25 for the application packet and attended an introductory session of for prospective adoptive parents -- and have even started filling out the forms. Then the unimaginable happened: I got pregnant! I am now the mother of an almost 3 year old daughter.

When the kid turned 18 months, I cycled again -- to try for a sibling. Got PG w/ twins, then miscarriage. I tried again after that. Another miscarriage. I tried a final time -- BFN. All of this took place in one motherfucking awful year (2006).

Do I still want to make a sibling for my daughter? You're darned tooting. Will I ever go through IVF again? No. Will I consider DE? No. Will I consider adoption? No.

Maybe I have it easy because I am so absolutely certain that I do not want to adopt. I am still mourning the loss of the idea of the "large" family I've always wanted -- and am pissed off that my body will no longer cooperate. I'm just too fucking old.

My point is this: I was considering adoption, albeit grudgingly, when I felt that it was my ONLY option. I was not convinced that it was a good idea, but it was better than nothing. I can't even guess how the whole scenario would have played out, had I not gotten pregnant; but, knowing what it's like to have my own bio kid makes me KNOW IN MY COLD, VAIN HEART that I would not love an adopted kid as much as I do my bio kid, if at all. To me, the biological connection is the whole point of childbearing. Even to this day, I don't much care for other people's kids, unless they're exceptionally sweet to my own kid. I know that I am narcissistic and vain person, but at least I am being honest with myself. I also realize that mine is an unpopular opinion, so flame away if you want.

Julie, Darling... thank you for your honesty and integrity. I know you'll figure it out eventually and will make the decision that's right for you and your family.

Posted by: fo' shizzle at Apr 11, 2007 11:57:00 PM

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