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06/29/2007

Persuasion

I know many people find it very difficult to turn to donor gametes.  It can be wrenching to accept the idea that your child won't have your physical features, or that your husband won't have blood descendants, or that your first child won't have a full genetic sibling.  Some people agonize, both before making the decision and after.  Other people have told me they simply knew it was time.  The choice was inescapably obvious, and they never once looked back. 

I'm pretty sure I belong to the latter group.  During the last days of our last try — and how do we count those cycles, anyway, that never made it to trigger, much less to transfer? — I cried an awful lot.  It was quite clear something was ending, and I couldn't yet see a new beginning.  There was nothing solid to grab to anchor myself.  So I cried all the time for days, while driving, while sleeping, while watching Charlie play.  I cried hardest in the shower, where it was private, where the water washed the tears away as fast as I could leak them.

One day during that two-week stretch, I was stalling in the shower.  Because I have a keen and questing mind, I was experimenting as I cried.  Could I blow my streaming nose without using my hands at all?  The scientists among you will be pleased to learn that the answer is yes.  But the more important point is this: It was then that it occurred to me.  We could use donor eggs.

It's not that the idea was new.  It had been suggested to me back in 2003, after our third IVF cycle yielded one good embryo, one hideous embryo, and a small remainder of eggs that were too fragile and disfigured to survive ICSI.  "Plan: 1) ? closure 2) donor eggs," the nurse wrote in my file.  Paul and I had other ideas  and went to Cornell instead.  But we agreed that if our cycle there didn't work, donor would come next.

And then some stuff happened, and some other stuff happened, and still other stuff happened, and yet more stuff happened, and all of a sudden there we were, smack in the middle of 2006, fucked six ways from Sunday as we weighed would would happen next.  We had to decide whether to try at all, a choice much harder than any we'd faced before.  Once that was resolved, it seemed to make sense to use my eggs, since our own little bundle of "? closure" had proven it could be done.

I think that all went brilliantly, don't you?

In the course of that single shower, I was convinced.  It was obviously over with my own eggs, something I acknowledged with a great deal of pain and no little mucus, but also with some relief.  But we still had another option, one that I was surprised to learn felt...fine...to me.  It didn't even feel like a compromise, as I would find adoption did.  No fancy "getting to yes" was necessary; it just seemed suddenly obvious.

For Paul, it was certainly less so, agony versus epiphany.  He's more open to adoption than I've been, and seems less inclined than I to wave away the risks of pregnancy with a casual flutter of the hand and a musical, dismissive little laugh.  (Just as well, as his repeated attempts at a careless "Oh, fiddle-dee-dee!" sound flat-out ludicrous.  Not like when I do it.)  He was willing, just, to take the chance when it might have meant a child fully related to us and to Charlie, less so when less so.

But he understands, I think, why I'm not ready, may never be ready, to adopt.  And while I'm sure he can't understand why another pregnancy is important to me — how could he, after all, when I can't truly say I do? — he's been willing to trust that it is.  So he was a harder sell, but I'm happy to say that his own innate good sense, supplemented by my skillfully reasoned argument, persuaded him. 

When you've found yourself facing a big reproductive decision, how did your choice become clear?  Sudden or slow?  Epiphany or agony?  And what about your partner?

Posted by Julie at 05:07 PM in I've learned a lot...but I'm not sure it's worth it. | Permalink

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Comments (128)

For us, it was slow and pondering. Agonizing over all the options. What do to, what was acceptable and how far we were willing to go. Like you, I couldn't, still can't wrap my brain around adoption. I love that there are so many willing to open their homes, but it's just not for me. My husband was the same. Reading and weighing the options thoughtfully. This journey is just exhausting, but one where I won't leave a stone unturned.

Posted by: Dee Aygo at Jun 29, 2007 5:20:04 PM

For me it was epiphany. I can't stand IVF. I can't stand more miscarriages. I am old. I want a baby. Now. What will get us there? Donor sperm. For my husband, however, it is agony.

Posted by: Rachel at Jun 29, 2007 5:26:21 PM

God, Julie, you make me laugh. I really wish I had something to contribute to the discussion, but me and the spouse have put off testing our plumbing for ANOTHER year (grad school sucks). I wish you and your little fam all the luck in the world. When in doubt, make more powerpoints.

Posted by: dingbat at Jun 29, 2007 5:44:33 PM

We went on holiday to Egypt, and I suddenly had an epiphany, stop the natural TTC and mcs... try DEIVF!

I mentioned it to a friend.. thinking of going to Spain or Moscow.. and she offered!

Posted by: Drowned Girl at Jun 29, 2007 5:46:13 PM

Julie, I feel relieved to hear that you have found some peace. I can only imagine how much you've struggled these last few months...having a plan that now feels both obvious and comfortable is an exciting new beginning. I am thrilled for you and am looking forward to hearing all about your new journey. -J.

Posted by: Jennifer at Jun 29, 2007 5:50:21 PM

After three years, two cancelled cycles due to high FSH and very poor response we just wanted a baby. DH agreed easily, it took a bit longer for me (like a week, maybe)but when those two lines appear you´re so happy you made the choice and you even forget...especially when you´re throwing up because you can smell someone cooking 2 blocks away or when everyone swears your baby girl looks exactly like you (we chose not to tell anyone) Good luck! it is totally worth it!

Posted by: Anon at Jun 29, 2007 5:55:08 PM

I'm so glad!!!!! It is a peaceful feeling when you do finally let go.

Be forewarned, though -- back in March, I told the doctor that this was going to be my last month, regardless of what happened. Then he stuck the probe on, and up reared the cyst that ate Cincinatti. And that was it, I was done. On to donor eggs.

So I believed. Can you believe now my body won't let me even get to the "test cycle" before I can even try to have donor eggs???? (Still trying to make the estrogen-spewing cyst go away. As my doctor says, "NO ONE has an estrogen level of 200 on Day 2......" Except me.

So, good luck, but be prepared for your body to continue to fight you every step of the way.

But, again, I'm so glad you've reached that peace. Maybe I'll get to parallel you all the way to a live birth!

Posted by: s at Jun 29, 2007 6:03:02 PM

My, that WAS a skillfully reasoned argument.

"Pulling a Isadora" TOTALLY cracked me up.

On a serious note, I'm really glad you found something that doesn't feel like a compromise.

Posted by: Amanda at Jun 29, 2007 6:12:36 PM

It's kind of all of the above choices.

First we freak out, then research, then read up, then ask questions, then discuss the issue ad nauseum, then vomit rainbows, then do some more research, then we repeat the above steps until we're so weary and dehydrated that putting all the choices on a pinboard and throwing darts seems like a good decision making strategy.

At that point, one or both of us usually says "Oh, why the fuck not?" about the issue at hand, and we're off to the races, (although horse or dog is anybody's guess).

Photoshopping Spongebob into your privates seems like a pretty good strategy too, though.

Posted by: akeeyu at Jun 29, 2007 6:13:05 PM

Oh, and I must admit that I usually have an easier time making these decisions than Sam. In my case, the absolute worst possible scenario is: I die. In Sam's case, the absolute worst possible scenario is: I die. This is clearly worse for him. Death is a finite experience, whereas being a surviving spouse is an Energizer Bunny version of Hell.

As the primary owner of the only uterus in the relationship, there are plenty of risks that I am willing to take, so the choices are easier for me. For Sam, it's different. It's harder. He also ultimately has much less control over the situation, since little to none of it is happening inside (or even remotely near) his body. Furthermore, he has a front row seat to any and all suffering and gets the added bonus of Having To Be The Strong One.

Poor bastard.

Posted by: akeeyu at Jun 29, 2007 6:20:22 PM

closure? not there yet. It's going to be gradual for me. For my husband, it's a no-brainer. After serious complications in both pregnancies, he's done.

Posted by: at Jun 29, 2007 6:23:57 PM

Well, of course, he finally saw it your way. I mean, that was a such a compelling argument, I'M on my way to begin arrangements for donor gametes, and I'm not even in the market for any more children.

I will hold dearly in my mind the image of you, the plastic chair mat and the staircase as long as I live (before senility sets in, that is).

I have no stories to tell, so just let me tell you you crack me up, and I am holding a good thought that everything works out with the donor gametes.

~C~

Posted by: Catharine at Jun 29, 2007 6:36:28 PM

Let's see, what's my process been? 2000: Premature live birth. Yay! Would be a very bad idea to ever be pregnant again. Maybe we could adopt. Maybe we should adopt. Maybe I'll explore some websites. China, domestic foster care, Africa...all very interesting. June 2007: Hmm, still haven't done anything. Guess that's not really happening.

Posted by: Orange at Jun 29, 2007 6:59:35 PM

After a year or so of injectables with IUI it popped in my head one day that I was getting tired of this process and so I started thinking about donor eggs. I think to me the idea of that versus adoption was always so much easier for me because it avoided the things that concerned me with the adoption process, having to be picked, having the mom change her mind etc.
I had my sister and friend both lined up to do it and that made it easier for me because I knew the genetic history. Some asked if I would be jealous knowing my husband had more of a connection, I said hey if I am carrying this baby in my body and taking care of it, I will feel like its just as much mine if not more, so that was not a worry for me.
I never ended up doing it as we got pregnant the next cycle, but sometimes I wonder if I wanted another child would we do it. I just had twins and have a three year old so I doubt I would ever feel justified to put someone else out, but maybe anonymous donor.

Posted by: Deana at Jun 29, 2007 7:16:33 PM

That was probubly the best presentation evah.

Also, would you want to know the donor or not?

Posted by: alisa at Jun 29, 2007 8:14:36 PM

Definitely gradual. No epiphanies here, for either me or my husband. We just let time pass, and eventually our way became clear.

I'm so glad that you have your next step lined up, and I will be reading with bated breath, hoping for the best possible outcome. (You have that quadruple stroller on order, right? 'Cause I think they have to make them special...)

Posted by: May at Jun 29, 2007 8:32:11 PM

Love the powerpoint!!! And I'm glad you two have come to a meeting of the minds- its a hard place to get to, but once you do, it all seems so clear. Now let's just hope it actually works! Good luck!

Posted by: Leggy at Jun 29, 2007 8:33:56 PM

Sometimes it just takes the right moment to get you there - so happy to hear you have a plan. I'm a planner myself.

I'm blonde and blue-eyed - you need my eggs?

Posted by: BethanyWD at Jun 29, 2007 8:43:17 PM

I'm curious... Would it be "wrenching" to accept a blood transfusion? a kidney? How is infertility ANY different than any other disease?

I get SO frustrated sometimes, when people "look down" on sperm and eggs that are donated. Genetics do NOT make the family.

truth be told? Sometimes I'm EXTRA glad that we adopted Malka, because, OY, my genetics!

I guess I just wish that people didn't think it was the end of the world that DNA isn't passed on.

Posted by: shelli at Jun 29, 2007 8:47:20 PM

Nothing works like a Powerpoint.

I'm glad that Paul was convinced.

Posted by: Suz at Jun 29, 2007 8:50:56 PM

I'm glad you've come to a place where you have a plan that you seem to feel good about.

For us, when we were making the decisions, it wasn't terribly hard. We conceived S on the last round of Clomid that my OB was willing to administer. We weren't willing to assume the risks of higher-order multiples that injectables presented, so we had decided that if we didn't conceive on that cycle, we were just going to put the whole thing on hold until we had both finished our degrees - a luxury of the relatively young (I was 27 at the time). Of course, we did conceive that cycle, had a 25-weeker, and I'm still not anywhere near done with my degree.

Posted by: Sarah at Jun 29, 2007 8:56:13 PM

Sarge: epiphany. Me: soul-killing agony, involving many afternoons spent huddled in bed crying. (I spent lots of time crying in the shower, too.)

But we're here now and I'm happy with what we've chosen. And it sounds like you are headed toward complete peace with donor eggs, even if you are not totally there yet. And I'm proud of you for allowing yourself your own feelings about adoption. Not that you make a habit of caving to peer pressure but it's refreshing to hear someone say they don't feel like they could do it without all sorts of qualifications. Good on you. And, good luck to you.

Posted by: Flicka at Jun 29, 2007 9:02:28 PM

Well, your presentation has certainly convinced me! I bow to your powerpoint genius...

For us there was no choice. (1) We want kids. (2) IVF/ICSI is our ONLY option. (3) Sign us up!

I'm glad your showers yielded something productive (other than mucus, of course.)

Posted by: silene at Jun 29, 2007 9:37:10 PM

You are fantastically funny and smart and brave and wonderful. Seriously.

And your uterus looks AWESOME fun!

Posted by: jenB at Jun 29, 2007 10:11:39 PM

My husband and I have, rather simplistically, decided that if and until we conceive a pregnancy that results is a *live* infant, that we will do anything to get there.

Literally, I suspect.

I honestly don't know what we would do if this was an attempt for a second live birth, but I suspect that I would ache to be pregnant again, but accepting less personal cost in the process. If that makes sense.

Posted by: jodi at Jun 29, 2007 10:27:49 PM

We had ruled out IUI and IVF before we even started trying to get pg, so it was a matter of waiting, and waiting, and deciding whether or not to keep on trying after 5 years with no pg and no damn good reason why not. Then suddenly a child in our family was removed from her home due to neglect... 14 months later she moved in with us and the adoption should be final in the next 6 months. We'd talked about adoption but were never ready, and then it landed in our lap. She's actually the age that a child conceived early in our efforts would have been! So, epiphany I guess, after a hard slog.

Posted by: unexplained at Jun 29, 2007 10:29:41 PM

I would have figured you for a more vivid Power Point template, like one with a blood red background and some stark white sans serif fonts.

But whatever. I feel 90% certain that we would have gone the donor egg route if IVF #2 hadn't worked, because it was the closest to our ideal: we'd have a semi-biological sibling for our first, with some control over the process of picking his/her genetics; more control over the prenatal environment than adoption would provide; the experience of pregnancy, childbirth, and breastfeeding for me; the option of letting people assume it happened the old-fashioned way if we didn't feel like being different; etc.

While I tend to be a very emotional person at times, I find that I always make my major life decisions based on a searingly rational analysis of pros and cons. It's like some part of my brain takes over for me while I'm sobbing and hyperventilating and says: "You know you're going to choose this sooner or later, so get your meltdown over with."

Posted by: Carol at Jun 29, 2007 10:35:34 PM

For me every major decision involves me swinging wildly, enthusiastically, and with no reason involved whatsoever to one extreme and the other before finally the pendulum falls somewhere in the middle of both.

As for my husband, the poor fool just comes along for the ride. Whatever I decide on is what we usually go with.

Posted by: Mrs Spock at Jun 29, 2007 10:44:08 PM

Congratulations on reaching this point in your journey. And your powerpoint skills!

Our journey began similar to yours, but long ago, in the days of Pergonal. We had 4 IVF's. Perhaps I was understimulated. Poor embryo quality. My RE suggested DE. I didn't want a anon donor. I knew one person who could handle the psychological and emotional aspects of being a known donor, who had a good medical history, was very bright, and who resembled my husband enough in looks that strangers would just think "she/he looks like their dad" (I have often wondered why so many woman seek ED who look like themselves, when in fact it makes a lot more sense to me to pick one that looks like the dad). However, going through the egg donation process is not something I could ever ask someone to do. So we quit trying to have kids. My husband was not interested in pursuing adoption. Five years after we quit, my friend offered, out of the blue, to be our egg donor. I switched to a different RE, who has a large ED program. He reviewed my records and offered to try with my eggs. I declined. We proceeded with ED and now have two children. I have yet to find an adequate way to express thanks to my friend and her husband.
(This leads to a MIL story: despite having full awareness of the situation (she babysat my egg donor's children during the oocyte retrieval), she had the gall to repeatedly ask me, when my first child was 5 days old, who I thought she looked like.)

Good luck. May the process be as gentle to your heart as it was to mine.

Posted by: anon at Jun 29, 2007 10:44:33 PM

Epiphany for both of us. The decision to stop ART came about the same time. The decision to adopt for him was about a month later then me.

Like Rachel above, I hated the whole IVF process with a passion (and I was a very good responder) and decided after the first fresh cycle that it was highly unlikely I'd ever do that again. The FET afterwards sealed the deal. I don't mind the shots and retrieval wasn't a big deal but transfer for me was so horribly invasive (literally and figuratively) and such a horrific mind fuck that I was done. Note that both cycles ended in miscarriage - yet another, bigger mind fuck.

I've been at peace with our decisions from the beginning. What's funny is that our social worker still seems to believe that because we are infertile that we absolutely must have unresolved grief issues. Nah - not really. I could care less about pregnancy and birth (would really rather not, actually) and just want to go to China and get our kid.

Glad to hear you're on a forward moving path and will be anxiously waiting further developments.

Posted by: Curlylockz at Jun 29, 2007 10:58:58 PM

Although we weren't looking at DE, we needed donor sperm. It wasn't a hard decision because just don't make enough money to adopt. I mean, we aren't poor or anything, but I'm a stay-at-home mom and well, we didn't have an extra $40K to adopt from China, and I was scared to death about adopting a child that could be removed from our home by the birth mom due to changing her mind (nice run-on sentence eh?)

We didn't do much after the initial diagnosis because we didn't know what to do. Then Paul went to work for a company that covered infertility. From there it was a no-brainer. We wanted a baby. It didn't and still doesn't matter to us about the biological part.

Good luck to you and Paul. I hope and wish for the best for your family.

Posted by: Sheri at Jun 29, 2007 11:02:46 PM

I'm not sure that I should even weigh in on this because my situation doesn't begin to parallel yours but our procreation ''decision'' went something like this: one live birth followed by a gut wrenching death with a finale of being told, ''All further pregnancies will result in same'' (or as the Dr so eloquently said, ''Have as many as you want to bury.''). Then came an(other) unplanned pregnancy ending in a miscarriage. Husband is now snipped, clipped and unarmed. I mean, he's armed. Just decidedly not loaded.

So. We will adopt (likely foster to adopt) at some point in the future. I just have no idea at what point because I feel like I was born (hahaha) ready and at the same time like I will never be ready. Not because of adoption, just because few things don't overwhelm me right now and I can't see that ending anytime soon.

So, so glad you guys have made a decision.

Posted by: CharmingDriver at Jun 29, 2007 11:26:43 PM

Utterly brilliant presentation. No wonder Paul agreed. Good luck to all of you.

Posted by: winecat at Jun 29, 2007 11:42:36 PM

For us it wasn't either but more the decision being made for us. We've not considered adoption, although I'm not against it. It was important for me to bear a child(ren) and since I am older than most first time moms, it was logical that for this to happen, donor eggs would be the route for us. We're finally getting ready to start our first DEIVF cycle in July.

Posted by: Pam at Jun 29, 2007 11:55:37 PM

I'll have to say mine was more of a denial than anything for a long time. I was terrified of medicine b/c of the horrific fits with meds in high school. I knew what was wrong and we just kept saying... in time... in time. I went to one more 17 year old's baby shower ( a girl at church ) and I just said enough is enough. Stupid us. We've been trying for 4.5 years with no hope of getting preg. I haven't ovulated since high school probably. Hubby is tolerating the new meds and we finally sat down and wrote out a plan. Once I had my limits set and we were in agreement with the stopping point I feel ok.

Posted by: Ellie at Jun 30, 2007 12:16:26 AM

After 2 miscarriages and one crappy response negative IVF cycle -- ALL in 2006 -- it became crystal clear to me mere days after my last BFN that we were through with fertility treatments forever. I feel blessed to have given birth to one perfect daughter from IVF #4 in 2004 and have finally come around to being genuinely happy being the mother of one. I have even stopped trying to conceive "naturally" in the middle of every cycle. I can finally admit to myself that another pregnancy ain't never gonna happen because my eggs are too old and I am too old. My husband is supportive of whatever I want. No problem there.

Julie - I am so pleased to know that you've reached clarity about your next steps. I'll be following your progress. Good luck!

Posted by: twizzle at Jun 30, 2007 12:20:29 AM

My story is actually scarily similar to yours. A ludicrous number of failed IUIs, followed by four cancelled IVF cycles, and then the magical one that finally made it to retrieval: but of 9 eggs taken out, 6 were crap. Remaining three fertilized, two embryos transferred, twin PG but lost one at 7 weeks gestation. One almost 2-year-old son who we almost lost to premature labor at 24 weeks. He hung in there and with lots of bedrest and terbutaline, made it to term.

Fast forward two years: Two cancelled IVF cycles, rotten response both times. Exponentially increasing FSH, three REs so far telling us it's time to move on.

I'm just tired of IVF, tired of spending all our money on fertility treatments. I want a second child, but I would not like to go totally broke doing it. Various REs give us a less than 10% chance with each $17,000 IVF cycle we continue to pursue. They give us a 70% chance with one $20,000 donor egg cycle. Faced with the cruel financial facts, the choice is becoming more and more obvious.

But I am having a hard time letting go of the idea of a full genetic sib for my son. I think it's harder when you have managed to produce offspring with your own DNA, because you think, damn, we DO make good babies. However, I am pretty darn sure that any child I give birth to (or adopt, for that matter, if I ever decide to go there) I will love just as he or she is, DNA be damned.

We're almost there. Almost. Taking a year to save money, think it over, and love all over the one kid we've got. I'm 39 now, and I'm facing the sad fact that my ovaries are done for. The good thing about donor egg is we don't have to do it right away - I expect my old ute will be just as capable in a year or two as it is right now.


Posted by: kristylynne at Jun 30, 2007 1:29:34 AM

We're in a holding pattern. We're queer so donor sperm was always in the picture but after 13 various ART cycles (at home, IUI, and IVFs) I was diagnosed with diminished ovarian reserve and hav no more insurance to cover more ART.

So the choices now are domestic adoption (no money, one bedroom, a 50 year old partner), donor egg, donor embryo or Baby Sis. Baby Sis is in her 20's and we were thinking of asking her for her eggs or to be a gestational carrier. Or we can just move on. International: Umm no because I would have to do it alone because of the gay thing.

Not much to think about huh?

LURVE the slide shows

Posted by: nycphoenix at Jun 30, 2007 1:44:13 AM

I just gave birth to my DE-conceived son on June 9.

For me, going to DE was an easy choice. They couldn't get to my eggs as I have really f'd-up ovaries that are trying to journey upward to my lung area. So it was either DE or adoption. I REALLY wanted to experience pregnancy so the choice was easy for me, even though I had to grieve the loss of a potential genetically-related child.

I can tell you for certain that the first part of the DE process is WAY STRANGE. Picking a donor feels like visiting a dating site. Knowing she is next door having eggs retrieved while you are helping your DH with his sample is nervewracking.

But once you get past that part and the embies are back home inside you, it becomes real. And it becomes YOURS. And after that BFP and U/S, it is even more YOURS. And the fact that your baby exists due to a donor fades more and more every day.

Now I look into my son's eyes and I see nothing but MY son. And my DH's weird ears. :)

Best of luck to you in choosing a donor! You won't regret it and Charlie will make an excellent big brother!

Crystal

Posted by: Crystal at Jun 30, 2007 3:09:47 AM

For me, coming to the conclusion of doing this last cycle to "use up" our spare embryos was pretty agonizing. As long as they are still sitting on ice, there is hope, at least until I'm too old to transfer them. (which I guess in this day and age could be 60 years old). When I use them, though, that's it..they are gone bye-bye, and there won't be another fresh cycle. For my husband it wasn't agony, after I agonized I fretfully asked him, he thought about it and said "ok, let's do it!". Now, however, I'm back to agony again. Sometime between us getting pregnant with the twins and now, our insurance has gone from being covered for life to a limit of 3 cycles, and we've already done 4! Now the little cycle which would have cost us nothing much (but my eventual heartache, probably) will cost us 3,555.I know I'm crazy to keep going, that's a lot of money that could go into a college fund (although the clinic stands by the fact that we have a good chance of still being covered if we fight). Also, I've always had a fall back plan, we could do a fresh cycle if we were ready to spend a couple of grand, but now that fresh cycle would run us 10,000 out of pocket, and that won't happen. *sigh* oh well, if it isn't going to work now it probably never will, so heck with it. Of course, it wouldn't have to be the end if my husband would go with donor sperm...but that will NEVER happen, especially now that we already have two. I would go to donor eggs in a heartbeat it that were our problem, at least I think I would.

Posted by: Chickenpig at Jun 30, 2007 7:58:53 AM

After coming home from yet another disappointing adoption conference it was Sgt that said to me 'Let's look into fertility treatments, if they can't use my sperm we'll find a donor. A really smart donor.'

I had thought about donor sperm before but never had the nerve to bring it up. I thought it would be hurtful, insulting to do so. When Sgt made the suggestion I was stunned and told him so. His response? 'We were going to raise a child that was not linked biologically to either us or the boys so why would this be any different? We know the prenatal history if we go with donor sperm ... it's not like you have any issues.' (Little did we know then ...)

I'm 35 weeks into what seems like a textbook pregnancy and there isn't a day that goes by when I don't think about our donor (he is smart, just like Sgt wanted) and feel greatful.

Posted by: Anita at Jun 30, 2007 9:13:15 AM

Question: If you get a donor egg, your hubby can use his sperm, right?
Also, You don't mention your thoughts on another woman carrying the baby. What is your thinking there. As I recall, your pregnancy was NO picnic.

Posted by: emilie at Jun 30, 2007 9:39:44 AM

Congratulations on your decision!

And i have nothing to say about decision making, as our path was relatively easy, but now that i'm pregnant with our fist child i can totally relate to wanting to doing the pregnancy thing again. Not even having seen the result, i can already say this feeling of someone growing inside you is great.

Posted by: Nienuh at Jun 30, 2007 9:42:52 AM

It was agony for us. Each step through the 5 years of IVF was agony. Nothing came easy. We were never on the same page. After our first IVF failed I said I would never ever do IVF again. I even got hubby to go to some China adoption seminars. In the end we had a huge fight, the worst of our 14 year marriage. The only one where divorce came up. We were both so miserable. But from the misery we did develop a plan and we did do another IVF, this time through Integrmed, so that if it failed we had 2 more fresh tries. That's the one where we got pregnant with our son who just turned one. We are on the same page now that we will not do more IVF, maybe a clomid cycle or two, but we are both happy with one.

Posted by: Stacy at Jun 30, 2007 10:42:35 AM

Yeah! It sounds like a great decision for you, and hopefully it will land Charlie a baby sister or brother or two to knock around with.

As queer moms the fact that our children won't be fully biologically related to both of us has never been a decision, just a fact. In the long run, it doesn't matter one bit.

It's my turn next to try and get pg. My addiction to infertility blogs has lead me to consider all the possible "what-ifs" and to discuss them with my wife. I think I would use donor eggs (hers, most likely) if it came up. I want to be pregnant more than I want a child that is biologically "mine."

Posted by: erin at Jun 30, 2007 11:39:13 AM

After 10 failed IVFs, I finally turned to dh and said that I wanted to have a baby no matter what. He gave in and I have fabulous 2 year old b/g twins. Both of them look like their father but after 2 years, both of them have my mannerisms and my expressions. And lots of people say how much my daughter looks like me.

We have chosen not to tell because we don't want it to make a difference to anyone. But they are MY babies- I carried them, I vomited because of them and I was on 7 weeks of bedrest for them.

Congratulations !!

Posted by: anonymous at Jun 30, 2007 11:41:06 AM

For me (using donor eggs) has been a slow process. I have not had a child of my own, and it does not look like it will happen anytime to soon. So, we looked at our options and I was drawn to donor eggs because I wanted to carry a child. It felt really good once we made the decision. I was on board before my hubby was, but now he is excited. Of course we have done one..more...iui...becuase you never know. After this, we will be moving on. Good luck to you. We will be on this journey together.

Posted by: erin at Jun 30, 2007 12:28:53 PM

My most recent decision - the one to try IVF after planning to adopt for the past 3 or so years - came suddenly. Very suddenly. Out of the blue, even. And I immediately IM'd my husband at work and told him I wanted to do IVF, and he immediately replied and said let's do it. We were in the RE's office less than a week later and will begin our first cycle in August. So I'd say yeah, that was an epiphany.

Posted by: Kim at Jun 30, 2007 12:50:11 PM

I just gave birth to my DE-conceived son on June 9.

For me, going to DE was an easy choice. They couldn't get to my eggs as I have really f'd-up ovaries that are trying to journey upward to my lung area. So it was either DE or adoption. I REALLY wanted to experience pregnancy so the choice was easy for me, even though I had to grieve the loss of a potential genetically-related child.

I can tell you for certain that the first part of the DE process is WAY STRANGE. Picking a donor feels like visiting a dating site. Knowing she is next door having eggs retrieved while you are helping your DH with his sample is nervewracking.

But once you get past that part and the embies are back home inside you, it becomes real. And it becomes YOURS. And after that BFP and U/S, it is even more YOURS. And the fact that your baby exists due to a donor fades more and more every day.

Now I look into my son's eyes and I see nothing but MY son. And my DH's weird ears. :)

Best of luck to you in choosing a donor! You won't regret it and Charlie will make an excellent big brother!

Crystal

Posted by: Crystal at Jun 30, 2007 1:03:01 PM

For me, DE was an easy choice after four miscarriages and two cancelled IVF/PGD cycles. And now that I'm running around after my busy one-year old, I could not be happier with that decision. I wish you all the best in your donor journey!

Posted by: Karen at Jun 30, 2007 1:16:12 PM

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