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08/27/2007

Warning: Contains spoilers, human remains, and, worst of all, Clamato.

What you've done

"I'm sure you won't read down this far," said a commenter on my last post.  "You won't have time to read all these," said another.  And from another, "I wish there were something I could do for you."

I did, and I did, and there was, and you did it.

I read your comments avidly, even greedily, every single one.  At my parents' house I would slip upstairs to the bedroom to open the laptop and scan your responses.  It helped me more than I can say to know I wasn't alone.  You offered your condolences, you told me your stories, and you shared your own experiences of loss, and there is no way I can adequately thank you for doing me that kindness.  I needed it, and I am grateful and humbled that you've given it so generously.  Thank you.

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My father/The body

Beefalo.  Rockumentary.  Brangelina.  Manwich.  Blaxploitation.  Cremains.

That last portmanteau, of course, denotes cremated human remains.  Most of us call them ashes, more comfortable with a polite euphemism than the more accurate but harsher description, pulverized bone fragments.  The funeral director settled for the middle ground, cremains, and was startled when I laughed.  (It sounds like a brand name: Cremains™.  I can only assume BoFrags didn't make it through the focus groups.)  I spent the rest of our meeting tuning out his solicitous questions and thinking of other blends.  Feminazi.  Televangelist.  Clamato!  What can I say?  I was grieving, y'all.

I am not sentimental about my father's remains.  In fact, I am almost the opposite.  The only part of his funeral service — Catholic, but not a mass — that truly offended me were the repeated reverences to the small wooden box that houses his ashes.  So implacably do I believe that he's gone that seeing people bow to a few pounds of dust upset me: That isn't him.  He isn't there.  Stop acting like that's my father.  That box contains no magic.

And later I had to think about this.  If I hadn't seen him in the hospital, still technically living but stripped of life, I might have been more inclined to tenderness.  After all, I loved his body.  When I was little we used to roughhouse, the sort of loving tussle that Charlie begs for now.  He'd lie near the edge of the bed, wearing only his shorts, and challenge me to push him off, promising me a dime if I could do it.  (Of course I could; he saw to that.)  It was the smoothness of his shoulder, so well remembered from my childhood, my handhold for pushing as hard as I could, that made me think of it at the hospital.  When I saw him on his back, so injured and so still, I said to my mother, "Bet you a dime I can push him off the bed." 

A joke.  (She laughed, relief.)  But a truth: Without the animation of his personality — that shoulder shaking with suppressed laughter as I shoved with all my five-year-old might —  it wasn't truly him.  Without the certainty that he would fall, but not until he was ready, it was finally just a body.

A well-loved body, to be sure, one wonderful in its turn to his parents, his wife, and his children.  A big body that sometimes seemed barely able to contain the obstinate force of his character — "Larger than life," said friend after friend as they spoke of him to me, describing the impact he'd had on their lives or on the community.  But a body that made him furious now and then with its limitations; in the end, a fragile one.

I am quite familiar with the disappointments of the body, both its expected failures and its shocking betrayals.  I've spent so long treating my own as an adversary that I think of people as neatly divisible, what we are easily distinguished from who we are.   It was a simple matter, then, to believe my father irrevocably gone before he'd even been extubated.  Without the part that had made him who he was, the body no longer mattered.

But is it unseemly, or even inhumane, I wondered later after the funeral, to be so ready to divorce the body from the being?  Am I too hasty to dismiss the last physical scraps of someone — anyone — unique and precious?  Do the people who bowed in front of that box know something I don't?  Maybe.  But I know something, too: What our bodies can't do is not who we are.

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Spoiler alert

Emotionally drained and in need of some light and undemanding entertainment, Paul and I took in the Simpsons movie last week.  I recommend that if your father was recently crushed under a motorcycle, you give this one a pass.  Oh, and if your mother was shot to death by a hunter, Bambi just might be a little rough for you.  And, hey, steer clear of Citizen Kane if you're, you know, fond of sleds, because what they did to poor Rosebud shouldn't happen to a dog.  (I'm not even going to mention Old Yeller.)

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Comments (165)

You know, something I've learned, and you've just proven, is that a sense of humor is the best tools for emotional survival.

Glad to hear from you, and thank you for sharing ourself through such a tough time.

When my grandmother died (the first death I was old enough to take to heart) I had trouble with the whole treatment of the remains also. It was an open casket ceremony, and to my 17 year-old eyes, it seemed like a sort of prurient peepshow for the heirs, giving each family member a chance to come up and satisfy the burning questions of "Is she REALLY dead??" (Because my mother is rather humor-handicapped, instead of a chortle, I got sent to my room for saying that out loud. But Dad laughed! Hey, we all grieve differently.)

Hugs and warm thoughts to you. You're not alone. We're here.

Posted by: Susan at Aug 27, 2007 2:24:39 PM

Even as I am crying with your memories of your father, you make me laugh. I also recommend missing the Lion King if your father has recently passed. I thought it would provide a little light entertainment for my husband the weekend after his father passed from cancer. I didn't know, and couldn't get to the stop button fast enough! take care of yourself as the weeks and months pass, and bring ever more chances to remember your father as he was

Posted by: victoria at Aug 27, 2007 2:30:51 PM

I missed you and am glad to hear that you've made it through these first parts with your irreverance intact. My father's parents died independently, but on the same day five years ago. My Dad and I tend to imitate my grandparents in unflattering ways or make fun of their faults as our private way of paying them homage. It probably doesn't make sense to the rest of our family, but the comic relief is a way of touching the sore spot lightly for us.

Thinking about you lots...

Posted by: Jennifer at Aug 27, 2007 2:31:50 PM

I just wanted to add my good thoughts to those of many others. I hurt for you, and am very glad to see your sense of humor is still intact. I personally think the whole "viewing the body" thing is ghoulish, so I avoided my beloved grandfather's casket like the plague during the viewing. As the only granddaughter, I needed to be there, but nobody said I had to stand next what was left after my grandfather went away.

And I love the term cremains. I always have. It makes me think of a really nasty breakfast cereal ;-)

Posted by: Beth at Aug 27, 2007 2:35:52 PM

My father was active, athletic, full of life and energy. The last time I held him he was frail as a bird, his soft white hair reminded me of feathers. He feel light and insubstantial, except where I could feel the sharp bones on his back and arms.
I was the only one of my siblings who did not kiss him goodbye as he lay in his casket. He was gone. And I wanted my last memory of his physical presence to be that one, awful as it was, because it was when he still had life inside him, when he was a frail shell holding the universe.

Posted by: Menita at Aug 27, 2007 2:36:40 PM

I meant "he felt," not "he feel." Sheesh.

Posted by: Menita at Aug 27, 2007 2:37:23 PM

My mom used to get the two major brands of non-dairy creamer mixed up - Creamora and Coffeemate. She called all non-dairy powdered creamer "Cream-mate."

I still can't drink the stuff.

Still so sorry about your dad. It is wonderful to have a sense of humor at times. I think it is nature's best defense mechanism.

Posted by: Amy at Aug 27, 2007 2:48:29 PM

A few days after I drove a friend's car into a concrete wall, nearly killing everyone on board, another friend took me to see the Cronenberg film "Crash".

I'm holding the armrests white-knuckled and he glances over at me and says contritely: "Oh no! I forgot!"

Posted by: Yatima at Aug 27, 2007 2:51:03 PM

...and, belatedly, I am so sorry for your loss; I wept over your last post. He sounds amazing.

Posted by: yatima at Aug 27, 2007 2:52:06 PM

I'm so sorry for your loss. I also felt very detached from my Mother's remains. We saw her for a brief time in the hospital before her death so maybe I would feel differently if I hadn't. My father, brother and I were doubled over laughing when the funeral director left us alone in the Casket Selection Room since we would probably need a private moment. It was set up like a store with many ultra tacky caskets, fabrics and little blurbs rating comfort, value and style. It was so ridiculous all we could do was laugh.

It has been 4 years now . . . It took me 2 years before I didn't cry every day, and 3 before I didn't wake up every day and have to remind myself that she was gone. Now when I wake up I just know. It changed me and my family in a way I could never have imagined. My thoughts are with you.

Posted by: jjzach at Aug 27, 2007 3:06:08 PM

Glad to hear from you and that you're finding comfort where you can get it.

My mom is one who takes comfort in having a bit of her mother around in the form of her ashes (ahem, Cremains). But then again, my mother is off the boat Sicilian and has a shrine set up to remember the dead in among our family and friends. Think Mexican Day of the Dead everyday! Maybe she isn't the best model for how to deal with grief, but I says, you do whatever makes you feel good or at least better.

Saw the Simpson's Movie. Loved it. Still singing "Spider Pig" (changed to "Spider Ninja") to my cat. He isn't pleased when I try to emulate the walking on the wall part. I don't do the ceiling. I'm not *that* mean.

If you're down for penis jokes and manly humor about trying to get laid (think a raunchier funnier American Pie) do see Superbad.

Posted by: Christine at Aug 27, 2007 3:08:41 PM

"extubated": you've either been around too many hospitals or read your Grey's anatomy too many times? hmmmm, which is it? One of the reasons I love reading other people's blogs is to see what I can figure out about them just from the way they write. It's funny how our occupation/hobbies/lot in life, ect. shows thru in our descriptions of life in general.
Again, I am sorry about your father. Good Memories are a treasure to have.

Posted by: D at Aug 27, 2007 3:14:21 PM

hey, cremains always make me think of craisins (tm) too!!! and i'd imagine if you put an exclamation point after it, it could be some kind of musical!

seriously...i'm so sorry. my dad three years ago, almost to the week of your loss. he was young (64) but had a bum heart, and died while on a transplant list. like your dad, he was always described as larger than life, and he was hilarious. and crazy. it has taken me nearly three years to remember him primarily as the vibrant funny loving giving foodie he was for most of his life rather than as the frail, paranoid, self-absorbed, messed-up and angry person he was at the end. we are hebe-y hebes, so we don't do cremains! (tm) (now in 100-calorie packs!) but i relate to your beautifully-expressed thoughts about the failings of the body. in his case, his mind was affected too, so i struggled hard with what The Self really is. i didn't say that well, but i think you know what i mean. i wish you comfort...kiss that beautiful charlie for me.

Posted by: marjorie at Aug 27, 2007 3:20:12 PM

What a beautiful eulogy for what sounds like an amazing father.

Posted by: She at Aug 27, 2007 3:20:14 PM

Julie,

My mother died unexpectedly of a heart attack when I was 24. I'm so sorry for the pain you're in right now. I couldn't even take peoples' wishes of condolences; couldn't accept it when people told me how sorry they were because I didn't believe they could possibly understand my pain.

She was also cremated, and I feel similarly disassociated from her ashes. They aren't "her," because she was animation and laughter and smiles. I feel torn between having them in a place of prominence in my house -- and inviting movie-type capers with cats -- or keeping them put away. I compromise by keeping them in the house, but not readily visible. When we go on vacation someplace warm, a place where she would have liked to go, I will probably drop them in the ocean.

As an only child the thing that upsets me most, 2 years past her dead, is that there is no one to really TALK to about her. My father and she were divorced and her family doesn't like to talk. So all of this grief and pain and love and anger is all bottled up inside; there is no one with whom to share those emotions. I hope you're able to share how you feel with your family; it feels a lot better than doing it with a therapist.

Posted by: Ariella at Aug 27, 2007 3:20:40 PM

I'm glad you're back, I missed you. I cried when I read your last post. My dad died 4 years ago but it seemed so fresh when you talked about losing your dad.
My mom and I have tried to see the bright side sometimes... "he never lost his hair!... He'd have been pissed to pay $3 for a gallon of gas" and other things like that, it helps sometimes, other times nothing helps except to cry. My thoughts are with you as you find YOUR way to grieve.

Posted by: Lisa at Aug 27, 2007 3:22:56 PM

I've always found the viewing of the body to be the hardest part of a funeral. It's almost obscene to me to have the body on display like that when it just so clearly no longer has anything to do with the person we're there to celebrate. Not to mention how unsettling and disturbing it is that someone you know so well is now unrecognizable. Because it's not them anymore.

I'm very sorry about your father.

Posted by: bre at Aug 27, 2007 3:27:14 PM

I was one of those readers who saw how many comments there were on your last post and didn't bother to post my own because I really didn't think you would read them all. I am now very ashamed of myself because I consider myself a faithful reader and was telling lots of people in the non-cyber world how a "friend" had suddenly lost her father and how bad I felt about it. I cried when I read both your posts and you truly have been a large part of my thoughts this past week. I'm glad that the comments provided a source of comfort.

On the issue of cremains and open caskets. When I was younger I was very freaked out by the idea of an open casket and refused to see both my grandfathers in a viewing before the funeral. I was however convinced to go and see my grandmother when she passed. The funeral home had done her hair and makeup in such an artificial way she almost looked like Queen Elizabeth, very regal. Except that's not how my grandmother looked in real life. Instead of being upsetting as I expected it was rather more releasing because I could truly appreciate that the body lying in the casket was no longer my grandmother and I realized she was really gone.

Posted by: Designenvy at Aug 27, 2007 3:28:57 PM

After reading your delightful blog paying homage (and twinges of irreverence) to your father,
I had a thought...

'Wow..Julie is just like him--larger than life'.

I'm pretty sure he's somewhere smiling a satisfied smile and thinking the same thing.

May you have peace and love, Julie.

Posted by: Tammy K at Aug 27, 2007 3:29:22 PM

I've always loved the medieval belief in relics, the feeling that the presence of a bone, a piece of tattered cloth, or a sliver of wood, could be a powerful conduit to something else, heaven, in their belief - just something else, in mine. When I read this blog posting, I couldn't help but think of this.

Posted by: Suz at Aug 27, 2007 3:31:28 PM

Love you. (Please note that I mean that in the most non-creepy, un-stalkerish way possible.) Also, don't rent "Bridge to Terabithia," it is NOT the lighthearted fantasy the trailers led me to believe.

Wishing you comfort and laughter and bright days ahead.

Posted by: Summer at Aug 27, 2007 3:40:23 PM

Cremains?

Do you they put them in a convenient reclosable top bag for you?

A family story: when my grandfather (short, stout, clotheshorse with dozens of suits) died, my father (tall, skinny, just purchased a suit for a job interview, otherwise didn't own one) and mother went to my grandmother's house.

My father hung his suit in the closet.

When it came time for the funeral, his suit was not to be found anywhere. He had to borrow one from my uncle.

Halfway through the funeral, my mother realized that my grandmother had told the undertakers to choose a suit from the closet - and she knew which one they had chosen. She thought of her pudgy father squeezed into her lanky boyfriend's suit - and thought "dad would have thought that was hilarious"

I wonder whether your dad would feel similarly about becoming a "cremain."

Posted by: artsweet at Aug 27, 2007 3:40:51 PM

I am so relieved by this post, and am also not surprised at all, given what a prolific writer you are, that many parts of it made me laugh.

(I commented on your last post, but not with this name.)

Posted by: Mama Bear at Aug 27, 2007 3:40:59 PM

Julie, you're awesome.

Posted by: klm at Aug 27, 2007 3:41:46 PM

My Dad was a goof. He was always saying things like, "hey, why are you wearing two different earrings?" followed, of course, by "made ya look." We had a graveside service for him and while we were hanging in the limo waiting for the rest of the folks to come, I realized that I had, in fact, put two different earrings on that day. My husband, my mother, and I were laughing so hard that the Rabbi assumed we were weeping and asked if we needed a few moments to collect ourselves. Which only made us laugh harder. That is the story I tell my kids when they ask about his death.

Posted by: Liz at Aug 27, 2007 3:43:08 PM

When I was in graduate school, an elderly man from my neighborhood had a heart attack on the sidewalk outside my second floor apartment. Through my open window I heard the sound of his glasses shattering as they hit the sidewalk. I rushed down and gave him CPR, but he was gone when the ambulance arrived a few minutes later.

Friends of mine told me I shouldn't be alone, and invited me over to see a movie they had rented -- Terminator 2. As the body count mounted, they kept looking over at me and wincing visibly. Eventually we turned off the TV and played Scrabble.

Someday, someone will make a fortune marketing customized warning labels for things like that: WARNING -- Will make you weep if you have just experienced random death for the first time.

Posted by: Teri at Aug 27, 2007 3:45:56 PM

You and your family have been in my thoughts constantly since your last post. I was relieved to read your post on Redbook. We cremated my father after his suicide and spread his ashes at the beach. I was always sorry I didn't have a place to go to, a physial place, to remember him. That there was nothing left of him. I guess I wasn't able to divorce the being from the body. Your post is beautiful.

Posted by: Stacy at Aug 27, 2007 3:46:45 PM

You are remarkably well intact Julie, and I'm glad to see so.

Posted by: Black Belt Mama at Aug 27, 2007 3:46:47 PM

I didn't say anything before because I had no idea what to say. I have been thinking of you often, though, and just had to tell you I'm so, so sorry for your loss. I wish I could do something other than offer you a few words of sincere sorrow.

Are you thinking of making a memorial quilt using his things?

Posted by: Carrie at Aug 27, 2007 3:49:34 PM

I think you're right - in every one of the funerals I've been to, when I've seen the person - it's not them. It's just a body. Whatever made them who they were... just goes away.

Posted by: serenity at Aug 27, 2007 3:54:00 PM

You have been in my thoughts. I am deeply sorry for your tragic loss.

I was holding my mother's hand when she died. It really was instantaneous, the "knowing" that she was no longer here. It made it very easy to donate her corneas.

Sadly, when my husband died of cancer, I was NOT there (I had left his side just two hours before...I'll never forgive myself)...the letting go of his body was immeasurably more difficult than it was with my mom, and the subsequent grieving far more intense and prolonged.

Still holding you in my thoughts and heart during this awful time for you and your family.

Vicki

Posted by: vicki at Aug 27, 2007 3:58:50 PM

I didn't comment last time either, but I spent a lot of time thinking about your loss. Here in the UK, we don't usually have viewings before funerals, and I think I'm glad of it - I'm a vet, so I'm no stranger to death as such, but I don't see that the shell of the person has much to do with who they were, really. You have to let your own instincts guide you through the grieving process; you'll know what's right for you, I think.
Very best wishes - I'm so sorry.

Posted by: Alison S at Aug 27, 2007 4:07:59 PM

I'm one of those commenters who shared her similar experience in losing her father after your last heart wrenching post.

And, I felt equally detached from my father's body as I sat with him in the hospital the evening he died of lung cancer. My dad was 6'1, probably 220 pounds, with a big, fun loving personality to match. He was also described by folks as "larger than life", and the "life of the party". The church was literally 'standing room only' on the day of his memorial service, and there were so many mourners that people had to park down the street at the fast food joint when the parking lot got full.

At 17 years old, I could not reconcile the incongruity of my image of my big, grinning dad with the frail and silent person in the hospital bed before me. Similarly, after he died, I never felt any connection to the casket, or even, eventually, to his grave site. How could I make any connection between that and the man who had touched so many lives, had so many friends, spread such good will in his short 45 years?

There are members of our family who have never forgiven my mother and me for decreeing that his funeral would be decidedly closed-casket. Neither of us could bear the idea that those who hadn't seen him during his relatively short (4 month) illness would travel to his funeral, and then have the image of him as looked when he died - 50 lbs lighter, half of his hair gone and the rest white/gray, face sunken and pinched and sick looking, in short NOT himself in any way - in their minds forever more. We didn't want anyone to remember him that way unless they had to. For a time I wished that I had never seen him in such a sickly state, and it plagued me for years that I'd unconsciously recall that version of his face first, before deliberately calling up the real REAL him in my mind's eye.

Our family also wags their fingers and clucks in disapproval over the fact that in the last 19 years my Mom and I have visited my Dad's grave only a handful of times.

The bottom line for me is that, while wholly significant when his mind and soul and personality were occupying his physical being, after death - not so important. What is in the ground, the remains, or cremains in your Dad's case, are just not significant for me. I still talk to my dad in my thoughts or prayers or whatever you want to call them, all the time. I don't need to be looking at a granite marker with his name on it in the cemetery to do so.

Thank you so much for continuing to share your honest and intelligent and often hilarious thoughts with your faithful readers through this incredibly painful and personal loss. We all appreciate it more than we can express. And I hope that all of these posts continue to bring you some level of comfort and support.

Posted by: K at Aug 27, 2007 4:16:33 PM

So glad to see this post; that you are putting one finger down after another to write, even if we don't see the times you stopped and howled with grief in between.

Our family laughs when others thing we should be crying. At my grandmother's gravesite my sister and I and my mother and her sister were hunched over, hiding our faces and laughing hysterically because someone had loudly passed gas. If my grandmother hadn't been dead, we all knew that person would have been her. And my father said, as they wheeled her out of the chapel, "that's the only time I've seen Edith leave first" because she loved to stay and talk until there was no one left to talk to.

Thinking of you daily. in, as someone said, a non-creepy way. Or a Crway.

Posted by: Cris at Aug 27, 2007 4:17:35 PM

someone, in an attempt to hurt me, once told me that my inability to look at my grandfather's dead body was something I should have been ashamed of.

They couldn't understand that my grandfather was so animated and giant that to see him without that would spoil something for me.
I think you said it a million times better...but I just wanted you to know that you are certainly not the only person that felt no magic in the coffin or box of ashes. The magic was in the man.

Posted by: Calliope at Aug 27, 2007 4:18:53 PM

Thank you for your post. I have tears rolling down my face as I think of your loss, as well as my own. My father died last year, as I sat by his side in the hospital. The pain is still raw a year later, but at least I am now able to smile some when I think of a good memory with him. You are not alone in your pain. I am glad you can find some comfort in our comments.

Posted by: Amy at Aug 27, 2007 4:22:46 PM

Both my BILs are funeral home directors and use the word "cremains" all the time. It always sounds slang to me, even though I know it's an industry term. Thinking of death as an industry makes me flinch.

I put my fist to my mouth with horror when I read about your movie choice. What an awful surprise to find out the thing that was supposed to divert you would bring you right back to your pain. I'm so sorry, Julie. For everything.

Posted by: Flicka at Aug 27, 2007 4:35:04 PM

I'm with Cris on this one, been thinking of you daily in a non-creepy way. I commented last time how sorry I was, of course, not really able to express myself in words...

But you made me cry this post and god I have felt for you. Humor is the best way, and I know I've smiled since your post reading some of the comments. I'd share a funeral experience where we'd laughed but I'm such a baby I cry constantly even at nonsappy movies.

Posted by: Tamsen at Aug 27, 2007 4:37:30 PM

Oh god, I took too long to comment (dealing with boss in between sentences) and I just read Flicka's comment. Holy shit. I didn't even really register what you said about the Simpsons. Holy shit. Nicht so gut.

Posted by: Tamsen at Aug 27, 2007 4:40:25 PM

Oh god, I took too long to comment (dealing with boss in between sentences) and I just read Flicka's comment. Holy shit. I didn't even really register what you said about the Simpsons. Holy shit. Nicht so gut.

Posted by: Tamsen at Aug 27, 2007 4:40:33 PM

Have been checking back to see if you are back, I am very sorry to hear about your father. I loved the way you describe his body as a little girl, it makes me think of my dad.

Hope you are on the way to being well, but your heart will never be the same I know, wishing you well.

Posted by: Hoping at Aug 27, 2007 4:48:17 PM

I'm so very sorry for your loss. I wish I had something useful to say, but I hope you know how many people out here care about you and your life.

Posted by: Gilly at Aug 27, 2007 5:12:40 PM

"Do not stand at my grave and weep
I am not there; I do not sleep.
I am a thousand winds that blow,
I am the diamond glints on snow,
I am the sun on ripened grain,
I am the gentle autumn rain.
When you awaken in the morning's hush
I am the swift uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circled flight.
I am the soft stars that shine at night.
Do not stand at my grave and cry,
I am not there; I did not die."

Those lines have been attributed to two different people, and I'm not sure which is correct, but I do know they have brought me comfort at times when I wondered why I didn't place the importance on the body or ashes that others did.

My mom has been ill with cancer for some time and at one point talked about having her ashes turned into a 'diamond.' She thought it was the neatest idea and debated on which of us would get it. I gently suggested my sister. The thing I won't ever tell her, most likely, is that I have no desire to have any of her remains. To me they are not her, would make me nothing but uncomfortable and frankly I've seen too many movies where ashes get spilled, etc.

I just...I'd rather see something beautiful in nature that reminds me of someone, or laugh about something that was funny, or look through pictures. Like you, I'd rather remember how people were, the moments that grabbed my heart and squeezed. I don't think there's any fault in that.

Healing is a process, and I wish you much love and compassion during this time. It's hard to say goodbye.

Posted by: Mandy at Aug 27, 2007 5:13:59 PM

I can relate to the bad movie choice. I had a boyfriend whose father met his unfortunate demise when a truck he was working on fell and crushed him (he was alone). We went to see Bird on A Wire shortly afterwards- a Mel Gibson movie which I'm sure no one remembers, but it opens with a pair of legs beneath a car-- except in the movie someone is playing a trick on someone and its a stuffed pair of pants. It was not our best date.

I'm still thinking of you and your family- I strongly believe there is no "correct" way to grieve- it looks and feels slightly different for everyone.

Posted by: kristine at Aug 27, 2007 5:14:10 PM

You've made me cry again. And brought back fond memories of my own father. Hang in there and thanks.

Posted by: Bake Town at Aug 27, 2007 5:16:03 PM

What a beautiful way to remember your father. I am crying for you (which is probably creepy since we don't know each other and I don't comment often enough) but I am. So sorry.

Posted by: Amanda at Aug 27, 2007 5:18:43 PM

I agree with you. I remember my and my husband's grandparents from the last times I saw each of them whole and healthy. That's the way I'd rather remember them, not as cremains or what was in the open casket.

Maybe we have a different view after going through so much with IF though. I knew for a long time I was a mother-to-be. My body apparently didn't think so for 11 years though. Who we are in our hearts is definitely not the same as our external bodies.

Missed you while you were gone and hoped you were doing ok. Give Charlie a big ol' smooch from the internets.

Posted by: Angela at Aug 27, 2007 5:31:46 PM

Just thought of something else. In the Poor Choice of Light-hearted Comedy category: a friend of mine died many years ago at the age of eighteen. Riding in the North Georgia mountains with friends, he and his motorcycle failed to stay on the road when it curved and they collided with a tree. This was during the "Follow the leader; he's on a Honda" campaign. Shortly after his death, I was watching SNL when they spoofed the ad campaign with a "Follow the leader; he's in a tree" skit...

Posted by: Jennifer at Aug 27, 2007 5:41:04 PM

My favourite cremains moment(s) in film, by far, are in The Big Lebowski.

Julie, you write about how one relate's to a loved one's body in such a beautifully clear way. I'm touched, and reflecting, and remembering, and thanking you.

I'm a lurker and rarely comment, but I have been thinking of you since that last post, and will continue doing so. Take care.


Posted by: kelly at Aug 27, 2007 5:43:06 PM

The first time I heard the term "cremains" was while watching Six Feet Under. I laughed when I heard it, too. What a funny word.

When a friend of mine passed away, I was so relieved that the funeral was closed-casket so I wouldn't have to decide whether or not to view the body. Much as I would have loved to see him one last time, I knew my friend was no longer there, so seeing the body would not be the same as seeing him. I also knew that his body had changed drastically since I last saw him -- the cancer took 130 pounds of him before it took his life -- and I was terrified that he would look so different that I would go into some sort of denial: "That's not him. That doesn't even look like him. This is someone else who died. My friend's not dead." I'm so glad I never had to make that choice, and I'm also glad that my last memories of him are from when he was the big, lovable, vibrant person he always was.

You and yours have been in my thoughts lately, and you will continue to be. I hope you're well.

Posted by: Audrey at Aug 27, 2007 5:55:45 PM

When I was 3 my grandmother died... I did a few socially questionable things... day of her funeral proceeded to "show" everyone how she died - (Fell out of a chair). I ended up in ER with my father (her son) getting stitches. The other thing I did was swear up and down that that wasn't grandma, but a wax model. Grandma was coming back as a dog. Needless to say I don't believe in reincarnation any longer - no dog ever acted like grandma did and I have a scar on my chin where I smacked my head on my way down.

When my dad died - I too looked at the body as just a shell. It was the house, but it wasn't the home kind of thing. I think your response to the cremains is normal. I think your response to his body in the hospital was as well. Death is hard... losing a parent is even harder. Believe me I know.

I'm so very sorry you became a member of a club that I belong to the "dead dads club" it's a membership that I would have refused you membership in if I could have. Losing a parent just stinks and I wish no one had to go through it. Hang in there... my thoughts are he's with you - it's just different. You'll hear his voice in your head and that's not you going crazy... it just is a way to stay connected.

You are in my thoughts and I'm sorry I rambled...

Posted by: Sami at Aug 27, 2007 6:05:30 PM

I picked up my husband's ashes, took them home and pored through them looking for bits of him and trying to rub him into my skin. Then I slept with the box of pulverized bone for a month.

I'm not 'creepy' or goth or anything. I just needed something tangible to hang onto. I didn't believe he was in his ashes either, but I'd loved his body so much and I knew that was there.

Posted by: anonymous at Aug 27, 2007 6:09:00 PM

Cremains sounds like Craisins, but I suspect they have more of a chalky aftertaste. (just saw that someone else agrees)


Your gift of words is so beautiful, Julie. I know it's cheesy and maudlin, but your dad lives in those words. Everyone takes comfort in different things, but you were too close to him to be swayed by the comfort of portmanteau-ed human remains in a box.

I am so very sorry.

Posted by: Madame M at Aug 27, 2007 6:30:57 PM

Glad it isn't just me finding humor in twisted places. I first learned the term "cremains" when my dad died nearly 18 years ago. We dumped his off his favorite pier and I like to think of him swimming around in fish...that people probably caught and ate. While transferring Mom's cremains from the cardboard box & plastic bag from the funeral home to her Lane mini hope chest all the girls used to get for graduating high school for us to bury in the back yard, the wind kicked up and blew some right in my sister's and my faces. We inhaled Mom. Not like Keith Richard's snorting his dad but close enough. Not everyone would understand us standing out there laughing about it but she would have laughed, too.

Posted by: Mary at Aug 27, 2007 6:32:58 PM

I understand how people can feel so tenderly toward you, and often I've been touched by something you wrote and wanted to tell you so. But what to say? How to say it? How do I tell you that your writing makes you seem at once uncommonly intelligent and insightful, without seeming like some rabid fan-girl? Like many, I do not comment often. However, this is the second post in a row that I've commented on, because reading them is like being privy to some exquisite love letter. The object of that love might be Charlie, Paul, your Dad, or the words themselves; but it's evident in your writing and I think you're marvelous.

Again, I'm so incredibly sorry for the loss of your dad. My husband wrestles with our 5 year old daughter and her cackling coupled with his mock groans of pain when she tussles with him are some of the loveliest sounds I hear.

Posted by: jeannette at Aug 27, 2007 6:48:13 PM

When I was a kid, my godmother used to send me packages in the mail. So when the brown-paper-wrapped package showed up shortly after Grandma died, I thought it might be for me. Fortunately, it was well labeled, so I figured out it wasn't for me without opening it. (I was 11).

Over 20 years later, I think the cremains are still in the living room, in that paper wrapped box.

Posted by: StephanieO at Aug 27, 2007 6:54:18 PM

The night before the very early, really before day that my own dad died, we had him and my mother for supper....at the hospital, after they told us he was dead, mama looked at me and said "I don't think it was your supper". Humor will save your life! Another thing people say quite often is, I'm sorry you lost your dad.....we did NOT lose him, he isn't somewhere lost, he is dead. His essence is in heaven, but his body is dead. :) Glad you are making it through this oh, so difficult time.

Posted by: Nancy at Aug 27, 2007 6:59:56 PM

Julie, I admire you so much for dealing with this so publicly, and with such grace. Humour is my coping mechanism of choice, too, although it often freaks people out when they aren't expecting it.

Cremains reminds me of creton, which is a French Canadian sort of pork pâté... probably not something I should be associating with ground up human remains, now that I think about it.

Posted by: DaniGirl at Aug 27, 2007 7:17:35 PM

There is a great story involving my cousins, aunt, a Rabbi and the funeral director making 'final arrangements' for my uncle.

It involves Yiddish, and I suck at that, but it was a translation problem between the name of the casket, and the yiddish word for "ass".

Much laughter ensued. Very embarrassed rabbi who couldn't get them to stop. It was just something my uncle would have loved.

But it all comes back to me being just so sorry for your loss. I know you aren't religious, but I hope you won't mind my saying that my thoughts and prayers continue to be with you and your family.

Posted by: Libby at Aug 27, 2007 7:45:20 PM

I was with a friend when his family was to bury the "cremains" (now I have the word 'cretin' in my head), what I didn't realize was we were really doing the 'ashes to ashes dust to dust' thing and they popped open the box and poured it into the ground. I held my breath so long - I was scared I was going to inhale part of my friend's dad.

My favorite irreverent condolence of all time: It must have killed him to leave you.

Glad you are here, you continually open mind my mind and expand my world just a bit more.

Posted by: Dawn at Aug 27, 2007 7:52:12 PM

My father died of cancer in Costa Rica. He donated his body to science so no one would have to go and see to his remains. It was the only non selfish thing he did in his life, I think. However, I sometimes wish we could have gotten a box of 'cremains' in the mail, at least, for some sense of closure, or even his watch or wallet...something. Instead I have the haunting image of Oprah Winfrey banging a human knee joint on a table, calcified and damaged, and blaming obesity and poor diet. All I could think was "Hey, bitch, that could be my Dad!" His knees were damaged by football, not obesity.

Posted by: Chickenpig at Aug 27, 2007 8:02:59 PM

So very sorry for your enormous loss. My dad died two years ago of heart failure, so we knew it was coming for a while. It just happened to come two weeks to after my DH and I returned from China after adopting our daughter. It always feels too soon to lose a parent, even though we know intellectually that it's the natural order of things.

My aunt, dad's sister who is younger by about a year and a half, had real trouble with the decision my brother and I made to have his body cremated. (Catholic upbringing, so open casket wakes are the extended family's expectation.) Her daughter (my cousin), kept trying to explain to her that his body wasn't him...he was already gone.

Anyway, his cremains (gotta love it) now sit in a cardboard box in my brother's closet. We cheaped out on the container, because we knew that was what my dad would have wanted. He could pinch a penny until it cried out in agony!

Posted by: ceedee at Aug 27, 2007 8:16:37 PM

A sense of humor has definitely gotten countless families through times of loss and heartache; I don't know what my family would have done without our (collective) sense of humor throughout the years. I'm happy to hear that you're coping (seemingly) well. I'm also glad that you found solace in the kind words left at your blog by your readers...

I totally understand what you mean about the body being there, but that your dad wasn't really *there*. The body is definitely a temporary place for the soul to reside (if you believe in that sort of thing).

Take care... -Sarah

Posted by: Sarah at Aug 27, 2007 8:25:20 PM

You know what's funny? The thought of you slipping upstairs to read our comments as I, like countless others, check the site WAY too often to see if you have posted anything.

I too am opposed to open caskets. I guess not for others. But I never go up to view the body. It is not an image I need for closure or want taking up space in my brain. I know, I know, I only use 10% anyway blah, blah, blah.

So here is a gruesome example that could really only be appreciated on an IVF/grief blog. After our 4th IVF transfer I had a miscarriage at 13 weeks and had a D&C. The doctor told me he thought this may have been a blighted ovum (AKA "not a baby"), although I had 2 ultrasounds with my RE and had seen a heartbeat, etc. He based this on the scant amount of tissue he retrieved.

3 weeks later I am having my period with unusually heavy cramping. I passed the embryo. Virtually intact. That idiot missed the baby during the D&C. And my point was...as much as it sucked and made me cry, it was not the baby I saw on the ultrasounds and dreamed about at night. He was gone and clearly this was just tissue. OK, now that I have written that I see it is not the same as seeing the familiar body of one whom you have loved. But in both cases, to me, we are not mourning the body so much as the life.

Posted by: fitzhokie at Aug 27, 2007 8:33:26 PM

I am so very sorry for your loss.

Posted by: Michele at Aug 27, 2007 8:47:05 PM

Glad to see you back Julie. Humor helps a lot.
And from my point of view there is nothing inhumane or unseemly about separating yourself from the box of ashes.

My dad didn't want to be cremated and thank god my mother opted for a closed casket. But I KNOW that casket that I sat next to did not hold by dad. It was just a body, his personess (ok it's not a word but it works for me) was long gone.

Posted by: winecat at Aug 27, 2007 9:00:19 PM

Thanks for helping me love more, laugh more, cry more, even live more... Everything more, and all because of what you share and the incredible way that you share it.

With so much love and sorrow,
Alicia

Posted by: alicia at Aug 27, 2007 9:01:13 PM

"What our bodies can't do is not who we are". Amen, sister. And what a lovely tribute to your father. I think I would have liked that guy...

Posted by: silene at Aug 27, 2007 9:04:25 PM

Julie, I have been watching my RSS feed for a post and thinking of you every time. I'm so happy to see a post from you and so glad we brought you some comfort. Grief sucks.

So eloquent, what you wrote about the body not being your father. I'm Catholic, but have decreed no open casket and cremation. What people would be mourning of me is my soul, not my body. Your writing about your games with your dad as a little girl made me cry because I remember doing the same with my dad and he does with my daughter now. He sounds like a remarkable guy.

Posted by: AmyinMotown at Aug 27, 2007 9:13:44 PM

Um, I meant YOUR dad. I mean my dad is too but I meant yours....

Posted by: AmyinMotown at Aug 27, 2007 9:15:11 PM

My family grieves with laughter. We say we put the FUN back in funeral. I'm still thinking of you guys.

Posted by: Jenn at Aug 27, 2007 9:15:42 PM

I remember being at the funeral of my ex's best friend, after he had died at a relativly young age. Th church was packed with people and they were weeping over his closed casket and all I could think was "why are thye crying over that people shell box???" Not much I have ever been sure of in my life, but I was SURE that he was no more in there than we remain in our clothes after we have taken them off at night and left them in a pile on the floor. That was the image I had, of a bunch of people sobbing over a pile of dirty clothes while the person is out partying (which is EXACTLY what this friend would have been out doing, having the time of his.. well, after-life). And when the person hears of us all boo-hooing over his clothes, he would tell us to cut it out, that he's fine, those are just clothes and "the clothes don't make the man". I believed it with all my heart. He just wasn't there.

And another amusing saga in the inappropriate sketch comedy category, once again SNL (what is it with them??) on the night after my college best friend died ina car accident, we were all at my house doing what seemed logical, talking about everthign under the sun in an attempt to ignore what had happened, and and episode of "Toonses the driving cat" came on... of course every eppisde of Toonses ends with a firey car crash... nice.

Again, I'm so sorry for your loss.

Posted by: Frankie at Aug 27, 2007 9:24:13 PM

Stellar, sweet thing. Fucking stellar.

Posted by: Paula at Aug 27, 2007 9:27:36 PM

Thank heaven my family isn't the only one having laughing fits in the casket room. I don't think the funeral director would have liked our description of the one model being likened unto a file cabinet. (It was hideous. And it was cheap. In fact I think it's the one we bought. Oops.)

I too am happy to see your post and also to see your humor is still working. Humor is a powerful weapon. I can see that the waves will have to fight to knock you on your (figurative) a**.

....Now I just have to find a way to tell the monument company that we want to mount my brother's doorknocker on his headstone......

Hugs!

Rachel

Posted by: Rachel at Aug 27, 2007 9:30:12 PM

well, i'm one of those people who thought you wouldn't read all this. and thought there was nothing i could do for you. but i'm really glad to hear that some of us - them - were able to help you, and i'd like to tell you my story, too.

my dad died in 2001, 2 months after my wedding, and 2 months before i got pregnant with dd#1. my dad was a freaking saint, i kid you not. he would do things like, walk my dog for me when i was in law school, and buy new batteries for my watch. and he also had a magic way of listening without judging, and he was a man who shied away from all social contact (he was an engineer- need i say more?). when he died - 25 years after his first heart attack, and 10 or 15 after the quintuple bypass - my mom and he had been married for almost 52 years, and he'd been following the Pritikin diet for almost 25 of those. "He thought he would live forever," said my mom. I just wished he'd gotten to eat something other than salad for the last 25 years. We donated his organs, and the organ-donator-person insisted on explaining it all - "we'll remove the skin, blah blah blah..." My mother had to sit through all of that, and I kept thinking, "SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We want - he wanted - to donate them all, just SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Then we had to find a rabbi for the service where he was cremated, then buried, and apparently that's against some stupid Jewish law, so it not was easily done. And now I just miss him so much, and my mother has been a total b**** since he died, and my biggest regret was that he has never met, and will never meet, either one of my children (both of whom, who, by the way, have his nose).

And I LOVE that you were able to make the joke about betting that you could push him off the bed. My mom and I are always joking about him not showing up for this or that event or a similar sort of thing - sorry, i just cannot think of a good example right this second - and that definitely helps. I just feel bad that she has never dreamed about him - I dream about him all the time.

well, that's all i can manage at this time. it's actually been sort of a rough day, nothing having to do with you. but i am truly, truly sorry for your loss. i have thought about you an awful lot recently considering you are just really a cyber-blogger to me. it just does not seem that that is all you are - which is something truly weird that i think i have to spend some time figuring out. again, i am very sorry.
- mel

Posted by: at Aug 27, 2007 9:38:17 PM

BoFrags!!! I love you.

It is fucking bizarre when a parent dies - so incredibly painful, yet so strangely numbing and surreal at the same time. I feel for you.

Posted by: kate at Aug 27, 2007 9:50:46 PM

You are mind-blowingly sane and funny for having been through so much in the last few days. Amazing person, you.

Posted by: kristylynne at Aug 27, 2007 10:27:12 PM

I lost my father about 3 years ago. It is funny the things that hurt. My father was the person that we all should be. He was kind and really lived his faith. When I have thoughts I want to share with him because he would really get it, I just talk to him. If anyone gets into heaven he did. He was a great fan of poetry in particular he loved Swinburne. The following quote is from "The Garden of Proserpine".

From too much love of living,
From hope and fear set free,
We thank with brief thanksgiving
Whatever gods may be
That no man lives forever,
That dead men rise up never;
That even the weariest river
Winds somewhere safe to sea.

I hope that this gives you the comfort that it gives me.

Posted by: Not on Fire at Aug 27, 2007 10:31:24 PM

I felt the same way about my grandparents' ashes; I loved the people deeply and intensely, moreso after being a caregiver for my Nana for several years. In a strange way, I felt as though I were their fourth child and my Nana's mother for the second infancy that was her Alzheimer's. The ashes were the remains of the corporeal them, not their essence. When my aunt announced her plan to keep them at her house, I was shocked. I think now that I had the impression of transference, that the reverence for the beloved was being somehow wrongly transferred from spirit to remains.

But now, four years on, I'm comforted by these remains. I find that upon visiting the house, I sit on the windowsill, next to the urn, and talk to them. I actually introduced my husband to the urn, jokingly, lovingly. Somehow, it helps.

Posted by: lisa at Aug 27, 2007 10:33:02 PM

A beautiful bittersweetly-humorous post.

My father died suddenly, 8 years ago.

I will never forget the overwhelming feeling of nothingness that hit me square in the chest: his body was here, but he was...nowhere. Nowhere I could "feel". I kept thinking to a time when I was traveling in Europe, and although my family was far away, I still had an awareness that they were somewhere. Like in Jane Eyre, there was that invisible string tied from my ribs to theirs, connecting us, vibrating across the thousands of miles.

When my father died, it felt as if that string has dissolved immediately...he was nowhere. His body was...a beloved artifact, a vehicle for his spirit that we were grateful for, blessed because of...but....

Where was he now?

It's only years later that I'be begun to feel that vibration again. Maybe the string didn't dissolve, but simply snapped back into me. Or a part of it. I don't know. I'd give anything to feel his hugs again, hear his laugh. But to finally feel again that he's not "nowhere" - even if it's just a mind game for the broken-hearted - is enough to end my deepest grief.

Anyway...your post touched me. Even though it was only words and not the palm of your hand.

Posted by: jozet at Aug 27, 2007 10:34:00 PM

Glad you are back. It was a bit of a relief or something to know you were checking in and not feeling alone.

Sorry again. We lost a very good friend 4 years ago in a totally needless accident. I wish to this day and forever I would have never looked into that casket. The strong, smart, hansome, witty, intelligent surgeon I knew was replaced with I don't know who.

Posted by: Michelle at Aug 27, 2007 10:58:23 PM

I missed your earlier post--I am so sorry to hear of your loss.
My father died in July. Not quite so unexpectedly as yours--he had been struggling with congestive heart failure for a while--but it was still unexpected at that particular moment.
It all pretty much sucks. But it's good when you have people to both cry and laugh with.
Take good care.

Posted by: Katy at Aug 27, 2007 11:05:27 PM

I kind of like Clamato. (And my kind of, I mean I definitely bought it a lot in college and grossed my husband out drinking it. Even without vodka sometimes.)

Additionally, you're amazing.

Posted by: Maria at Aug 27, 2007 11:22:01 PM

Yes, humor will help you survive. I too find the word "cremains" utterly ridiculous, but the funeral director used it repeatedly. My brother and I also cracked up when he asked us to sign a release for our dad's cremation that had the line, "We understand that this is a permanent condition."

Once again, my sympathy. As others have said, memories will come back at unexpected times for years. The first year is the hardest though, for sure.

Posted by: Elaine at Aug 27, 2007 11:22:27 PM

You are wonderful, Julie.

My parents took a friend whose husband had recently killed himself to a George Carlin concert. Which turned out to be like a 2-hour rant against people who kill themselves, including all the detailed different methods and how stupid it is... on and on and on and ON. Then he'd change the subject, they'd relax, and he'd come BACK TO THE suicide jokes. Worst. Diversion. Ever.

Posted by: electric boogaloo at Aug 27, 2007 11:37:18 PM

Julie: I was pre-teen when my mom died. She had breast cancer which metastasized, taking over most of her body. The last time I saw her; she was in a coma and looked nothing like my mother. Her face and body were there, laying on the crisp hospital sheets, but she most certainly was not. She was already gone. I did not see her after she died. She requested a closed casket ceremony (also Catholic) and was buried in a family plot next to one of her aunts. It's been nearly 30 years since she died and I've only visited the cemetery once since the funeral. Her plot means nothing to me; it is simply a tract of land. Instead, I honor my mother in my heart and mind. I remember her as she was - laughing, loving, complaining ... all the crazy bits and pieces of her personality that made her my mother. To me, this is a much greater honor than leaving a few flowers where her body rests - and I think my mother would agree.

I share this with you as evidence that you're not alone in your feelings of distance from your father's remains. You're not missing anything. You show your love so clearly in your words and I'm certain your father would be honored.

I'm so very sorry for your loss. I am keeping you and your family in my thoughts.
Spruce

Posted by: Spurce at Aug 27, 2007 11:47:17 PM

BoFrags - you are too much.

Again, so very sorry for you. Losing a parent is so difficult and I'll be thinking of you.

Posted by: Janice at Aug 27, 2007 11:58:00 PM

Julie, it's so good to hear from you--I've missed you, my girl. Thinking of you like crazy today, because it's my Dad's 73rd birthday. (He was a devoted motorcycle rider, too.) He has Alzheimer's, and has lost interest in food so he's skinny, skinny, skinny despite my best efforts. He's worlds away from the strong, athletic man of my childhood. But he still knows who I am, and he still manages to make his silly little jokes, so I'll take that and feel blessed. I'm sending all my love to you and your family that you feel more peaceful soon.

Posted by: Laura in L.A. at Aug 27, 2007 11:58:01 PM

My dad is dying right now. Of lung and liver cancer. We've known for a month he is going to die soon and he is going down fast. It is awful. My family is a mess. I am a mess. I know you are going through a horrible time, but it helps me to read your memories of your dad. Right now I can't even bring myself to think about my dad before the cancer. It's almost like the grief is so overwhelming that I can't contemplate it anymore, knowing it is going to get worse.

I am not sure why I am even commenting like this, but I just started typing and it all came out.

Posted by: gullebarn at Aug 28, 2007 12:00:28 AM

There is a children's book - Everything That Shines - that tells the story of a small girl growing up on a farm in PEI. She goes to school, helps her parents, etc. But what she really likes to do is be with the old draft horse Shekinah. She talks to the horse and lies on its' broad back while her father and grandfather do the milking.

One day she comes home from school and Shekinah is gone. Her grandfather comforts her and tells her that Shekinah had a wonderful life, and that she'll always be near if Maddie needs her. She questions how and he takes her on a tour, showing her the way the candle glows, the light bounces off the spoons in their drawer, and how even his eyes, when Maddie looks at them closely, sparkle like Shekinah's did.

Maddie says "I understand! Shekinah is now everything that shines!"

I like that. Everything that shines.

Posted by: daysgoby at Aug 28, 2007 12:01:18 AM

Wow, I did not think you'd be back so soon and I'm glad you have been able to stay afloat. Cremains, Brangelina. It's all so frightfully commercial.

I tried to write out something about physicality vs. who we are, using my formerly incredible grandmother who has advanced Alzheimer's as an example. I erased it, I wasn't sure what point I was trying to make. I think it boiled down to: Even if someone is still here physically, it doesn't mean it's THEM in that body. Someone's mind is what makes them, and I don't think there's anything you're missing out on by saying goodbye when you know the part that matters is gone. It's natural to try to get the most out of it when you know it's the end, but you quite clearly have better memories to hold onto than these recent ones.

Damn, I just looked back and that's EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, but more convoluted ("What our bodies can't do is not who we are.")
For a crisis counselor, I'm feeling woefully inadequate, but you don't seem to need counseling from me. If only I were as bright and funny on my best day as you are on your worst. I wish you and your family all the best. You're very inspirational, this outpouring of love from the web is just more proof.

Posted by: at Aug 28, 2007 12:01:54 AM

Ahem. that last one was me.

Posted by: Meg at Aug 28, 2007 12:02:26 AM

Julie, I have been lurking on your blog for years, I comment so rarely that I a not sure if I ever have. If I did it was a long time ago. And chasing my kids means I don't even lurk that well anymore. It's funny how guilty one can feel for missing a post...

I wish I could be witty. But, well, I can't. It's many years now since I sat with my own father waiting for the machines that go ping to be turned off. I am so sorry for your loss, for the profound and constant understanding of the word "never" that I imagine you must be experiencing right now. And for just how extra hard it must be when Charlie asks for your Dad. My thoughts are with you all.

Posted by: Jo at Aug 28, 2007 12:13:18 AM

Oh honey, movies are tricky at this point of losing someone. Even having a friend "preview" them for you is no guarantee - as I found out myself. Heck, movies can be tear-inducing even years down the road. But sometime in the future, you may come to welcome those tears.

One of the things I miss the most are my dad's hugs. When cleaning out his house, I was knocked on my arse by the smell in his bathroom - it was him. The soap, the shaving cream, the combination of both - that was what I smelled when I hugged him. So I understand your love for your dad's physical body when combined with his being.

Take care of yourself now. Don't push yourself. Don't do anything because you're "supposed to" do it or not. I don't remember if I posted this to your last entry, but after my dad died, my therapist (who had recently lost her mom) said she wished we'd bring back the custom of mourning clothes. So you can bust into tears in the middle of Target (and you will!) or go out without brushing your hair, and people would understand there is a good reason why.

Welcome to the Club - it's one nobody wants to be in, but where the other members understand, at least a little. And know how much you are hurting. And want to help and comfort you.

Wishing you Peace - even if just for a moment when you need it the most - this week.

Posted by: Rowan at Aug 28, 2007 12:26:25 AM

Dear Julie, So sorry for not sending my condolences sooner. The topic of losing one's father is a sore one for me. This November will mark the 2 year anniversary of my father's death. He was 73 and in great health. He was murdered in his bed during a robbery. Bludgeoned on the left side of his head with a hammer. I'm still pretty messed up over it.

You raise some interesting points regarding the "remains" issue. I'm with you. Ashes are especially just ashes if you've seen the life pass out of someone earlier and had some form of opportunity to say goodbye in your heart. For me, there was so much shock and horror mixed in and I found it impossible to resist every and any sentimental rite of remembrance.

Anyway, I'm sorry for your loss. It's a huge one and, speaking from my own experience, just when time seems to be lessening the blow, the pain comes back in whallops. But things get better. Stay well, kiddo.

Joanne

Posted by: joanne at Aug 28, 2007 12:26:33 AM

Julie: I've already said this, but I'm so, so, so sorry for your loss. It's just shitty to lose a parent, but somehow it's even more so when it's so sudden like this. It's a shock that I don't think you ever truly recover from.

Here's a funny story about cremains: my father died in 1998 as the result of an explosion while he was working on his motorcycle. Something to do with the gas line and a space heater, it was February and he had the garage doors shut, the vapors ignited, poof. A really stupid and unfortunate accident. So cremation was the obvious choice, not just because of what had happened to him, but also because he was kind of an avid outdoorsman and everyone immediately thought that he should be sprinkled in the lake where he went fishing. I was Dad's only child, so it kind of fell on me to make the funeral arrangements.

Well, I had this major falling out with my Dad's long-term girlfriend, and I'm leaving out a whole lot of drama here but somehow I ended up with the box of his cremains. I wasn't sure what to do with it, so I just drove straight to my mom's house from the funeral home, and got the box out of the car and handed it to her. I'm not sure whether she did it right away, or maybe just let the box hang out in a corner of a closet or something - but the box ended up under the bed in her guest room. And my stepdad knew that it was there. Finally about a year later, he insisted that we get it out and do something with it. So we took the box and sprinkled the contents off the dock where my dad used to put his fishing boat in.

My point is, I completely understand not feeling connected to what's just a pile of dust in a box. I love that you were so irreverent about it. I think it's the only way to get through something like this and still feel like yourself.

Posted by: jenn m at Aug 28, 2007 12:38:05 AM

Julie---relatively new reader here. I just discovered your blog a few months ago. Can I just say that I love it and I love you...and yes, in a stalker way. I am always greedily checking for your newest post....so many times you have made me laugh out loud.
So I was really sad when I read your last entry. The beautiful and eloquent way that you expressed yourself moved me deeply. So much so that I drove across town the next day to visit my Dad, and who, although he lives in the same city as I do, I rarely take the time to visit. Not for any particular reason..I love him dearly...just because...because I always seem to be so busy with the kids...work...just life, I guess. But that day, I drove to his house and took him lunch. The surprise and happiness on his face from that simple act seriously stopped my heart for a sec. I mean, it really hurt my heart. God, what an asshole I am. I left his house that day with such a mixture of emotion that I cannot fully express it here. I, unlike you, don't have that gift.
So know this----you do have a gift...a beautiful, wonderful ability to move people with your words and to affect a whole community of your cyber-fans---and we love you for that.
Thank you sharing your life with us.

Posted by: toni at Aug 28, 2007 1:13:53 AM

Oh, Julie, I'm so very very sorry for your loss. Your dad sounds like such a great guy. I wish there was something I could say that didn't just sound trite. All I've got is I'm thinking of you and Paul and Charlie (and your mom and the rest of the family) and just so sorry.

Posted by: millie at Aug 28, 2007 1:43:58 AM

Again, I am sorry about your father.

Posted by: jodi at Aug 28, 2007 2:53:14 AM

I really wish we didn't have this in common, Julie.

At my father's service (Oh, how I frequently wished for some brand name or even generic Cremains in place of an open casket funeral), they seated us directly in front of The Body. It was horrifying. I got through it by repeating "That's not my father, that's just his body. He's already gone" to myself over and over and over again.

I understand that detachment from the physical body, although I wish I didn't. Hell, I wish you didn't, either.

Posted by: akeeyu at Aug 28, 2007 3:12:52 AM

First of all, I wanted to say I'm really sorry about your father. In Israel, it is a custom to say "May you never know sorrow again". I do wish you to (at least) know very little.

I also wanted to say that I felt exactly the same about my grandfather's body when he died. We were privileged (if you may say so) to be there at the very end, where I saw his heart beat in the monitor slows down to 0. Although he was my grandfather until then, when I went out for a bit and got in the room again, he wasn't there anymore (at least for me). I can't really explain it, but it wasn't him...

Again, I'm so sorry for your loss,
Sharon

Posted by: Sharon at Aug 28, 2007 3:46:27 AM

Dixiecrat!

Ginormous!

Croissandwich!

Tangelo!

Workaholic!!

Posted by: Kathy McCarty at Aug 28, 2007 3:52:07 AM

When my grandmother was dying, my mother and I had to travel 5 hours to get to the hospital. My mother went in with her sisters to say goodbye, and a few minutes later she passed. Everyone felt it was important that me (at 15) and my cousin (just 6 years old) go in to say goodbye. It was the worst experience of my life. That body lying on the bed was *not* my grandmother. She was already gone.

To this day, I have not gone to a viewing. I need to remember my loved ones how they were when they were alive. Say goodbye to their spirit, and not the physical body they've left behind.

Your posts about your father are beautiful. Thank you for sharing him with us all.

Posted by: Chili at Aug 28, 2007 4:13:33 AM

Thank you so much for these posts about your father. I'm so, so sorry for your loss.

Posted by: Quine at Aug 28, 2007 4:51:31 AM

I'm so sorry for your loss. This post was beautiful. I'm glad to see you can use humor as you get through this terrible time.

Posted by: Heather at Aug 28, 2007 6:50:26 AM

Julie, you say it right everytime sweetie... your insight is just amazing to me!!! Hugs!

Posted by: Rebel at Aug 28, 2007 7:26:26 AM

Even with the loss of your father, your memories shared were deep - I truly enjoy reading your thoughts, you always make me smile even though I am so saddened for you. Your most recent posts have made me step up & be the better person in repairing my own relationship with my father. Thanks.

Posted by: Amanda at Aug 28, 2007 7:40:53 AM

I played this song by Dave Carter over and over and over ad nauseum after my husband died. It gave me a tiny glimmer of peace when I was nearly inconsolable:

Come, lonely hunter, chieftain and king
I will fly like the falcon when I go
Bear me my brother under your wing
I will strike fell like lightning when I go

I will bellow like the thunder drum, invoke the storm of war
A twisting pillar spun of dust and blood up from the prairie floor
I will sweep the foe before me like a gale out on the snow
And the wind will long recount the story, reverence and glory, when I go

Spring, spirit dancer, nimble and thin
I will leap like coyote when I go
Tireless entrancer, lend me your skin
I will run like the gray wolf when I go

I will climb the rise at daybreak, I will kiss the sky at noon
Raise my yearning voice at midnight to my mother in the moon
I will make the lay of long defeat and draw the chorus slow
I'll send this message down the wire and hope that someone wise is listening when I go

And when the sun comes, trumpets from his red house in the east
He will find a standing stone where long I chanted my release
He will send his morning messenger to strike the hammer blow
And I will crumble down uncountable in showers of crimson rubies when I go

Sigh, mournful sister, whisper and turn
I will rattle like dry leaves when I go
Stand in the mist where my fire used to burn
I will camp on the night breeze when I go

*And should you glimpse my wandering form out on the borderline
Between death and resurrection and the council of the pines
Do not worry for my comfort, do not sorrow for me so
All your diamond tears will rise up and adorn the sky beside me when I go*
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It occurred to me last night that not only was your dad larger than life, he is now larger than death.

Posted by: vicki at Aug 28, 2007 8:30:37 AM

it's amazing how surreal ALL of life (and death) becomes after experiences several years of infertility and miscarriages. Perhaps deeply religious and/or unquestioning believers of a certain faith have different experiences, but as a pretty open to change and new ideas and certainly not religiously orthodox person, i've found that the infertility experience has been very mind and life altering. Okay the medical-ness and life-altering part is to be expected, but the way that it changes your whole outlook on life is amazing and surreal (and i don't mean that as an endorsement or denouncement).

I loved how you spoke of your dad. I hope my own children (if they ever come) can have memories like that of my husband. :)

Posted by: hope at Aug 28, 2007 8:55:04 AM

My late husband (a phrase I use often enough now that it should be a (c) if not a (tm)) and I talked about if we wanted to be planted, walled or sprinkled. Maybe other couples don't do that and I don't want to say we spent long, endless hours discussing the merits of various methods it just... came up once or twice. Sprinkled was the verdict - and he even chose a place: somewhere in the Inside Passage down the coast of Alaska. Very tidy.

The trouble is - I don't have his body. I'll probably never have his body. There are people who commiserate with me over this, as though this final loss is too much. But I, I'm with you. He is gone and having a box to put punctuation is... not necessary.

Posted by: Megan at Aug 28, 2007 8:58:18 AM

This is a beautiful memory of your father.

Posted by: ccw at Aug 28, 2007 9:05:56 AM

My mother always wanted to donate her body to medical science - she used to say, "Doctors have got to have bodies to learn on" - so we didn't have any remains to deal with.

When she died we were pleased that her body was accepted, but we were asked if we wanted the body back for burial or cremation when they'd finished with it! We said "NOOOOOO!" Imagine having to go through a funeral a couple of years after she'd died! Anyway, we knew she really, really didn't want any ceremony. She always used to say, "If they don't want me for research, just put me out with the garbage!"

She died of a stroke after lingering, unconscious, for a couple of weeks. There was a point quite early in that time when we knew she was never going to wake. I didn't even visit her in the last week of her life, as for me she was already gone. I didn't want to remember her as she was then, or to see her body after she died. I wanted to remember her when she was alive and well.

My kids still laugh at the funny things she used to say. One of my little granddaughters looks just like her. That's all I need.

I wish you many, many happy memories of your dad, Julie.

Posted by: Brooke's M-I-L at Aug 28, 2007 9:18:01 AM

Dreaming, I am so sorry for your loss, and so impressed with your wit, and I should close my door at work before I check your blog b/c I always end up crying...

Posted by: nycreb at Aug 28, 2007 10:06:05 AM

My truest belief in a sort of afterlife - one I don't understand to be sure - came when I realized the ashes of my mother *weren't* my mother. What made her Jane was somewhere else, somewhere in the ether in the memories in the hearts in the heavens... anywhere but that box. The cells and flesh and bones that made her up had been burnt - ashes to ashes dust to dust - and it wasn't her. The vehicle of her spirit - her self - her Janeness - was gone. But it was only a vehicle.

Everyone has a body, but only she was she. And those qualities that made her herself, those things that differentiated her from any other Body out there, those things still exist somewhere. The body is gone. The cancer that ate her body from the inside out, the cancer that failed her body, that consumed her body... that is what is in the box. An inevitably failed body.

People cried over her ashes at the funeral, though few knew they were ashes. They were in a coffin because many there would be quite upset to know she had been cremated, still thinking the body deserves a kind of reverence I think her body didn't deserve. (Her body, after all, is what killed her. Bodies are stupid. And Perishable. And don't come with warranties for obvious reasons.) But I understand why they mourned over it, why it was their focus. Because, well... it is just the obvious thing to cry over. What else are you gonna do.

I felt my mom in the NICU when HELLP brought my son prematurely into the world 2 weeks after she died. I felt my mom in the room with me months later as I sobbed uncontrollably over my son that she came so close to meeting but never did. I felt her with me - the part of her that mattered (ie not her body) - and I have been convinced that despite a lack of understanding on my part: she is there. Somewhere.

I hope you can feel your father as I've felt my mother, that you keep your heart and your mind open to the possibility of a life after death. And I mean this in a non-religious kind of way, not that that maybe matters, but oh my god I'm sorry I'm rambling and I'm sorry to say... that gets much worse as the griving continues. Oh how you'll ramble. And forget. And be weird. And cry at strange shit. And get mad at even stranger shit. And that makes you normal. part of the human experience of loss. Which is something that sadly & gladly, you aren't alone in.

Posted by: marlespo at Aug 28, 2007 10:08:57 AM

Sending hugs from across the pond.

Posted by: Vanda at Aug 28, 2007 10:32:59 AM

I didn't comment on your post before because there were a zillion posts and I figured you'd give up reading....now I know better. I'm so sorry for the loss of your father. As trite as it sounds, it's obvious that he's still here in your memories, even if he's not HERE anymore.

Posted by: JennyK at Aug 28, 2007 10:35:23 AM

I don't think you are strange for dissosicating the body from the soul. But many need the body to have a place to turn back to.

I don't know. I am in between.

I am sorry that your dad had to leave you guys so soon.

Posted by: Spacemom at Aug 28, 2007 10:36:53 AM

I'm thinking of you.

I wish there was more to say that could comfort, but you and your family are in my thoughts and prayers.

Posted by: Journeywoman at Aug 28, 2007 10:53:01 AM

Julie, I am so very sorry for your loss. I have spent the last few months getting out of a miserable job and finding a new one, and just yesterday was checking back in after my hiatus. You are an amazing person and you make the most impossible situations real and somehow bearable. Sheesh, that sounds stalkery.

I am going to my Dad's tonight to go to dinner. I try to go over every week to see him, he is 76 and has Alzheimers. His caregiver has been our housekeeper for 40 years and the two of them are my family. Sometimes I am tired and my son has me worn out, but I go anyway because I know that time is short. You have reminded me to tell him I love him and hug him, in a family where displays of affection are rare, even if we love each other.

My mother was a horsewoman and spent her days in a barn, and coaching in fields and generally sweaty and dirty. When she died the funeral home did their thing, and I still laugh when the woman told me she did her nails in a nice pink, I could sense my mother laughing. I knew she was gone when I got the phone call, her body was just ceremony. When I was a kid her brother died suddenly and there was an open casket for him and she was furious that my cousins aged 9 and 11 had to see their father like that in front of everyone. So we knew that she wanted it closed and I knew that she was happy that way. It all happens in such a fog looking back, surreal.

My family's thoughts are with yours, I am so sorry for your pain

Posted by: henna at Aug 28, 2007 11:18:44 AM

Shrek, however is a great light hearted movie to watch if you need to lose yourself after the death of a loved one. When I lost my uncle (my favorite relative and more of a father to me at that time than my own dad) and had to be the one to tell his estranged son, I also needed the mindless entertainment. My then-boyfriend (now husband) suggested Shrek and it was the perfect distraction.

Julie, again, I am truly sorry for your loss. I totally get that you didn't want to think of that box as your father. How could a box hold all your memories or the life that you knew as him? You explained your feelings so beautifully (as always) and I am grateful that you were willing and able to share that with us.

Posted by: Christiana at Aug 28, 2007 11:19:22 AM

Once again, you prove yourself to be the incredible tower of strength that you are. No, stop shaking your head: YOU ARE. There are very very few people in this world who could have written that entry, so brimming with warmth and love and humor, and still with an undercurrent of pain and loss. You continue to amaze me, Julie. You ARE amazing.

Posted by: Jennifer at Aug 28, 2007 11:19:39 AM

Hi Julie, it's Stacey from echo.

All I can say is that I'm so sorry about your father. It's been two years since I lost my brother and he was a Harley man as well. I can relate to the surrealism of a religious service - the funeral home brought in a Protestant minister who said all the usual platitudes about going straight to heaven because you were baptized, etc. I didn't get it. What mattered more were the testimonies of his close friends and how he lived by his own set of rules.

All I can say is that your father was doing something he loved and he had you with him at the end.

Posted by: Stacey at Aug 28, 2007 11:27:00 AM

MY heart and tears are with you. I'm so so sorry.

Posted by: chasmyn at Aug 28, 2007 12:14:11 PM

I've been thinking of you every day. My dad rides as well.

Posted by: wealhtheow at Aug 28, 2007 12:24:58 PM

Im so sorry to hear about your loss. My father died when i was 16, he had syrosis of the liver. For the last 6 months of his life he was in pain and we had to limit his food and liquid intake. Near the end he was very confused (his liver wasnt breaking down everything properly and slowly poisoning him) I got a long time to say good bye and i got to be there with him when he passed. In a way im happy i got those few months of knowing he wasnt going to make it because i had come to terms with it. I am sorry you lost your dad so quickly. I know children are suppose to see there parents go but it doesnt make it any easier.

Posted by: Janelle at Aug 28, 2007 12:39:40 PM

Your writing. Your humor. Your sense of love and of life. You too are bigger than life, cyberfriend. You teach many. You touch many. The story of you and your father playing caught me off guard, left me in tears and brought me back to wrestling with my father, too. He died when I was seven; in fact, he died on this day, 36 years ago. Thank you for your poignant posts and the update. My thoughts are with you and your family. Take care.

Posted by: tree town gal at Aug 28, 2007 12:48:55 PM

The high point of my grandmother's year was our annual beach vacation. The year my cousin married, he did it in the middle of Beachtime, and my grandmother declared it thereafter forbidden to have any sort of event which would interfere with The Beach. That last year, she died just as she was putting on her stockings to get in the car to head down to the beach. Later, after her funeral, we headed to our rented beach house--me with my puppy in tow. We treated the house like it was made of spun silk, since we loved it and always wanted to make sure that we were able to keep renting it. When I let the puppy on the bed, my aunt said: "What would Mammaw say!" My answer was: "That's what she gets for missing the beach." And I meant it. We did the whole open casket thing, and as the cousins congregated around the casket we were first grieving: "Oh, Mam!" But then we fell into--"Hmmmm, her lipstick color isn't right." Soon we were smudging away with our compacts and lipsticks trying to make her look more like herself. So I think we join you in your reverent irreverance. And I hope you get to be irreverant about non sad things again for a long, long time.

Posted by: mellie at Aug 28, 2007 12:55:05 PM

I've been checking your blog every day...wondering how you were doing. You're technically a complete stranger to me, but know that I continue to think of you every day and hope that each new day gets a little better. Your father will not be forgotten.

Posted by: TexMex at Aug 28, 2007 12:59:25 PM

damn you for making me both cry and laugh within the span of thirty seconds (yeah, there is a lot of homer riding dangerously on a motorcycle without getting crushed. lucky fucking homer).

julie, i've been thinking of you and your dad a lot since reading your post about his death. i miss him for you even though i didn't know him.

((and i'm surprised solyent green didn't enter your mind when thinking of brand names for cremains. made of peeeeeeople. i would never say that to most people who just lost their father but you aren't most people))

Posted by: kimblahg at Aug 28, 2007 1:41:07 PM

When my father-in-law died and we were at the viewing, my 5-year-old niece asked me, "If he's in heaven, how come he's right there?" So I told her that when we're born our spirit comes into our bodies and drives them around here on earth kinda like a car. When our bodies stop working, our spirits get out and go back home to heaven. So, that's just his body there. When her kindergarten teacher came by, my niece told here very matter-of-factly, "That's just his body."

Posted by: Carrie Jo at Aug 28, 2007 1:42:20 PM

Megan- I just read your comment about your late husband (tm) and I am so, so sorry. Note to self: a little pregnant comments make me cry like the scene in Terms of Endearment when Debra Winger says goodbye to her boys.

Posted by: kimblahg at Aug 28, 2007 1:45:48 PM

Amen, sista to your statement "I am quite familiar with the disappointments of the body, both its expected failures and its shocking betrayals". After suffering a spinal cord injury AND the joys of infertility I can firmly attest. The only thing that kept me going while learning to walk again was my mantra to "fight like my life depended on it"... because, quite frankly, the quality of my life depended on my spirit overcoming the weakness of my physical limitations. Same thing applies to the IVF nightmare. A will finds a way (as cliche as that sounds). It may not be what we envisioning initially but there is always time to reformulate a plan. That's the beauty of the human condition. It's never too late to change your mind and your plan. Best wishes during this difficult time!

Posted by: bediboop at Aug 28, 2007 2:05:39 PM

Thanks for sharing your father with us. When people I know lose children, rather pre- or post-birth, I always try to make a point to mention them. I'm of the firm belief that people can live on through stories and memories.

We still talk about my grandmother's funeral, some 15 years ago. Grandma had severe dementia, and was living in an assisted facility with others who were similarly situated. They had a habit of "borrowing" and exchanging personal possessions, such that when she died, we couldn't find a complete outfit anywhere in her room. So my very proper grandmother was buried in a blouse and suit jacket and nothing below the waist. During the pre-service viewing, a man from her church bumped the casket, causing it to wobble ever so slightly. My mother and I immediately knew what the show would be if she came tumbling out, and we got the giggles. I relate to the others who said that they tried to mask their giggles with feigned tears.

Best to you and Paul. I second the entire library of Shrek movies; the second one got me through a cancelled IVF.

Posted by: runnerwoman at Aug 28, 2007 2:15:02 PM

The memories of your father brought tears to my eyes. I, too, remember roughhousing with my dad and he always let me beat him up, push him off the bed, and eventually, hold me in his arms.

Posted by: Taren at Aug 28, 2007 3:15:43 PM

Much love, Julie. What a beautiful tribute to your father.

Posted by: Patty at Aug 28, 2007 3:32:57 PM

Glad you are back, Julie. I've been hoping you are...I don't know...doing the best you can. I only have good wishes for you.

Losing my Dad (or my Mom) is one of my worst nightmares...and I know someday it will happen.

Posted by: Jo at Aug 28, 2007 4:18:20 PM

The gentle humor of this post tore at my heart even more than the raw pain of the last. A night or two after my father died, I was somewhat horrified at my mother's otherwise objectively hilarious recounting of her choosing a receptacle in which to cremate my dad. A few nights after that, the entire family (myself included) came thisclose to getting kicked out of a very respectable restaurant after my dad's funeral because we were all laughing so heartily about any little thing that the non-grieving patrons were put off their feed. Now, eight years on, when the grief flares up out of nowhere, it's the memory of nearly getting eighty-sixed from my own father's funeral repast that comforts me more than anything.

Posted by: Genie at Aug 28, 2007 5:02:23 PM

Dearest Julie,

My heart goes out to you at this terrible time. I am so sorry for your family and for the loss that you and Charlie have sustained. I've been a reader since awhile before Charlie - you and Grrl and Tertia helped me wade my way through my problems and create beautiful twin sons through DE who were born in June, 2005.

My Father died tragically and suddenly when my babies were 9 months old. I cannot think of anything in life that made him prouder than being a Grandad - ironically it was his hope for his future life with the boys that led him to undertake a risky cervical spinal fusion procedure to reduce the terrible neck pain that limited his mobility and travel. He suffered a brain stem infarct on the operating table. I relive so often the day when I got the call that he was doing great in recovery to the hysterical phone call 15 minutes later from my Mom, with the doctor eventually intervening to tell me he wasn't waking up. We spent 36 hours by his bedside dealing with all that transplant and brain death nonsense before we turned off the machines. His strong and loyal heart beat for 35 long minutes before all was quiet. I had the same feelings that he was gone when I got there and his beautiful body was simply without animation.

I was against cremation prior to his death but I'm grateful my Mom chose it because it helped me get through the funeral in a way that I could not have with his body there. Not that I believed he was there, but his body held too many memories. I also had a great and irrational fear of leaving him "alone" in a cemetary. He never did like to be alone :-)

My Father's own Father died when my brother was 9 months old. Throughout his life my Father reminisced that he never had enough time to grieve because he had 2 little babies to take care of (alone, at the time, my Mother had left him). I wish so much I could tell him that I finally, finally "get it", and I am so grateful for the sacrifices he made, and I'm so sorry that he lost the central parent in his life. I know the feeling only too well now.

Julie, unless you've experienced it it is impossible to explain the numbing confusion and grief that accompanies a beloved parent's death. I too found solace in those who had walked the path before me; what they said always rang true. Along those line I heard a TV character say once, "You know how you feel right now that you just cannot exist in a world where your Father doesn't? Yeah, that never really changes."

I hope he will soon be visiting you in your dreams. Chrysa

Posted by: Chrysa at Aug 28, 2007 5:05:47 PM

Thank you Julie and everyone else for reminding me that there are lots and lots of us who use humor to deal with pain.

When my mother was on life support, I was holding her hand and trying to decide when to pull the plug. I yelled at her "Wake up right now or the trip to Paris to celebrate your 75th birthday is OFF." When she didn't wake up I knew it was time to let her go. Some of the hospital staff didn't think that was funny).

Take care of yourself and each other.

Posted by: Pat at Aug 28, 2007 5:26:39 PM

I'm so sorry for your loss, Julie.


... and I am also sorry for your unfortunate choice in movie. At first, I could only remember Bart's penis, but then I remembered the finale. By the way, there are no motorcycles in "Stardust," so you might give that a go this weekend.

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