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03/24/2008

Jenny from the bleccch

Dear Ms. Lopez:

Oh, you know what?  That sounds so phony.  I mean, it's just us, right?  Jen and Julie?  J. and J., Lo and ho', shooting the breeze, chewing the fat, anxiously asking each other if our emaciated husbands make us look, you know, kind of pudgy?  Let me start again.

Jennifer.  Jennifer, Jennifer, Jennifer.

So imagine me poring over the Wall Street Journal, thoughtfully chewing my healthful morning muesli...what, not believable?  Okay, fine.  Picture me completing a punishing circuit of cardiovascular training and rewarding myself with a quick glimpse at the gym's dog-eared copy of The Economist...okay, I didn't say I did that.  Just picture it.  Because we're not all that concerned with the truth here, are we?

In my case, the truth is that on the Internet I happened across an interview you gave People magazine.  I didn't even buy the issue myself.  In your case, the truth is...well, what, exactly?  Let's look at what you told The Christian Science Monitor — I mean, People — about the recent birth of your boy/girl twins:

It was natural. We didn't do in vitro, which I know was reported. Everybody assumed that because we had twins. I wanted to have a baby, but I've always said exactly what I said all those years they (reporters) asked us since we've been married: 'Well, when are you guys gonna have some kids?' 'When it happens naturally, I guess!' And that's when it happened. It was a surprise to us.

Now let me get this out of the way right at the outset: I do not believe that your celebrity robs you of any claim to privacy.  You have every right to reveal as much or as little of your private life as you see fit.  I do not believe that you have any special obligation to be an advocate for other infertile people, nor do I think any less of you — long have I found you most thoroughly fly — for keeping your private pain private.  Because infertility hurts, doesn't it?  You allude to that pain briefly in your hard-hitting tête-à-tête with PBS's Frontline — whoops, People:

You start getting older, you think to yourself, 'Maybe (having kids) is just not meant for me.'

Every infertile I know has faced that feeling, the worry turning to panic, the possibility that maybe, despite all the determination in the world, we won't become parents the way we'd hoped.  You're one of us.  And I can't see holding you to a different standard than I apply to myself: If I don't announce to strangers that my son was conceived via IVF, I don't expect you to, either.  Even if better singers, actors, and seven-time Tour de France winners than you have gone public with their infertility treatment, we all have different comfort levels about how much of our souls we bare to the world, right?

So I don't personally have a problem with your reluctance to confess to treatment.  (By saying "confess," I realize I seem to be suggesting that you actually pursued treatment, despite your unequivocal denial of same.  Don't worry; I just threw that in there as a sop to all the people who read and believed reports of at least two years' duration that you and your "rumpled-looking" spouse were seen at clinics coming and going.)  I mean, I'd like it better if you'd just worked it out with the interviewer ahead of time that you simply declined to answer any questions about your children's conception, but I don't expect you to structure your media encounters around what I would like to see any more than I expect you to run any movie scripts by me before you commit.  (Although come on, Jennifer: a lesbian assassin?  I realize you can't see me, but I am now making the little "call me" gesture with my hand.)

No, where I have a teensy little problem is your statement here:

I knew there was nothing wrong with me. I knew that I could. Deep down, I really wanted it badly...

Jennifer.  Jenny.  Jen.  J.  What.  The fucking.  Fuck?

First off, if you've been trying, as I read in Foreign Affairs, to have a baby for years without any success, then, yes, there is something wrong with you.  It's called infertility.  Deny treatment all you like, but why not admit that?  It's not, like, the dripping clap.  It's not even an embarrassing addiction.  It's a medical condition that affects people in all walks of life.  It doesn't make you any less of a woman, or less of a wife, or less of a bootylicious megastar.  It just makes you human.

But apparently it doesn't make you any more humane, if your second sentence is any indication.  Really, Jennifer: "I knew that I could"?  That sounds a little smug, almost as smug as your husband's assertion that "it never entered my mind that it would never happen."  It's as if you believe it was the strength of your faith, your boundless optimism, and your unswerveable determination that allowed you to conceive.  I ask your leave to differ.  If it wasn't medical help, then it was some good God-damn-me luck.  I would hope you could acknowledge that.

Seems like not, alas.  The way you tell it in the New Republic, medicine and luck played no role; you just wished hard enough and it happened.  "Deep down, I really wanted it badly."  Well, hell, I take it back.  Maybe you're not infertile.  Because that does distinguish you from people who want it only a little.  (You know, just enough to risk their financial stability, test the strength of their relationships, and undergo unpleasant invasive procedures for what is generally a fairly long shot.) 

Look, I don't care what you tell the press about how your children were conceived, although your husband's claim that everything you touch turns to gold does cast an interesting light on the idea of the two of you copulating.  (To his contention that having twins was inevitable because "nothing you do is small," I can muster no comment, as it only forces me to imagine his intimate dimensions, and, Lordy, that's not right.)

Really: I don't care.  Lie if you will.  (Not that I'm accusing you of lying, but if you could produce some of those twins that supposedly run in your family, those skeptical others might find you more credible.  Trot 'em on out.  Give The Nation another photo op.  Careful, though; identicals don't count.)  Deny what you want.  But could you please try not to be such an asshole when you do it?  I and the entire readership of Mother Jones would thank you.

Hope you're well.  Good luck with that triathlon.  I just know your babies will be proud.  See you at the gym!

Love,
Julie

P.S.  Nice pics.  Très Petit Trianon, girlfriend.

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Comments (137)

I laughed a hurtful loud laugh in the middle of Barnes and Noble when I read: "I knew there was nothing wrong with me. I knew that I could."
I agree--come on JLo, let's see pictures of these other family twins.
Great post, Julie--well said!

Posted by: JJ at Mar 24, 2008 11:38:03 AM

Perfect!

Posted by: Susan at Mar 24, 2008 11:45:38 AM

If she had had one baby, it wouldn't even be an issue. There would still be whispers, but she wouldn't be asked in a knowing way if singletons run in her family.

That said, because she is a fame whore and her husband a fame addict (so we can't really blame him can we?) and sells her pictures and "story" to a magazine she is basically begging anyone and everyone to introduce her feet to fire.

On the third hand, seeing paparazzi hiding behind a tree at my local park to take pictures of another celebrity with her twins is beyond grotesque. All those magazines and "celebrity news" shows have to go.

Posted by: at Mar 24, 2008 11:47:26 AM

Friggin' hell-ar-i-ous. I actually SNORTED reading this post. Do you wonder, as do I, why we as humans have never been able to up and fly in the air--or disappear--since I'm sure many a eight-year-old has 'just wanted it bad enough'?

You are an incredible writer with a fabulous gift.......thanks for sharing. (And for the many laughs!)

PS - How is Peanut/Spike/Beauford/etc. growing? Big and strong? Messin' with Mama's six pack abs?

Posted by: Stephanie at Mar 24, 2008 11:48:35 AM

Brava my dear, well said.

Sigh...another celebrity denial, another lost opportunity to shed some light on a subject that affects so many.

Posted by: Dee at Mar 24, 2008 11:57:34 AM

Fucking A-MEN.

Posted by: Barb at Mar 24, 2008 12:09:56 PM

I'm curious... I have a friend who is mom to 4-year-old twins. She was on the pill for like 10 years, then she & her husband decided to start trying for kids, and bam. First try she's pregnant with twins.

She called us in December. She's pregnant again, due in July... WITH TWINS!!! They weren't even trying. She's about 38 now.

I mean, couldn't she just be ridiculously uber-fertile? I believe her when she says it was out of the blue, because frankly they were barely in a position to have one new baby, let alone another set of twins. Finding daycare for her kids was tough enough. I can't imagine what it will be like looking for care for FOUR kids.

Posted by: Charity at Mar 24, 2008 12:17:47 PM

So she tries for years then then naturally conceives b/g twins? Um, yeah. I have this great stock tip for you...

I think things like this are why when random strangers come up to me and ask me about my pregnancy and am I excited I generally answer something like 'After nearly four years of trying and four IVF cycles excited doesn't even begin to cover it.' Hey, if they comment on my now obvious condition it's their own fault if I bring up how I got this way.

Posted by: Elizabeth D at Mar 24, 2008 12:20:23 PM

As they say in The New Yorker, "Christ, what an asshole."

Posted by: jenn at Mar 24, 2008 12:21:17 PM

Thanks for the laughter, Julie. My 31-yr-old daughter received her second negative on IVF on Good Friday, so our pain and fear are pretty raw. Somehow, reading something you've written always makes me remember that there most definitely ARE real people out there who don't sugar-coat (uh. . . dismiss) our pain. Again---thanks.

Posted by: Melinda at Mar 24, 2008 12:35:19 PM

I love the "nothing she does is small" part. If that's the case then she's a HUGE over-achiever and perfectionist and I can't believe for one second that she'd wait years to conceive when so many other Hollywood people are popping out babies left, right, and center. C'mon. How gullible are we supposed to be?

Posted by: Kelly at Mar 24, 2008 12:45:26 PM

And this is why I love you.

Posted by: BrooklynGirl at Mar 24, 2008 12:48:03 PM

Charity,

I'll give you it is possible, since well, anything is technically possible, the Dionne quints in the Depression era proved that. But twins, were a hell of a lot rarer before fertility treatment existed, so no, I don't believe that either J.Lo or your friend just naturally conceived their twins.

My OB, who specializes in multiples, says that since he started practicing 20-odd years ago the percentage change in the rise in twins, triplets, etc. has been so dramatic that if someone tells him their multiples are natural, he never believes them. It's just not logical.

Posted by: Aurelia at Mar 24, 2008 12:49:03 PM

How can you be so sure she's lying? I know of a number of women who accidentally conceived babies late in life, after they thought they no longer needed to bother with birth control. I myself am one such baby.

Posted by: victoria at Mar 24, 2008 12:50:27 PM

Sorry, should have said, "I WAS one such baby." Oops.

Posted by: victoria at Mar 24, 2008 12:51:00 PM

As BrooklynGirl stated - indeed, this is why we love you.

Posted by: tree town gal at Mar 24, 2008 1:00:27 PM

The only reason I actually read this issue of People is because my MIL brought it to our house and it was like a train wreck, but nothing she said in there was believable. According to JLo, both she & Marc Anthony wake up when one of the twins scream in the middle of the night - heavens no, NOT the hired help. (Note J.Lo's perfect complexion/hair/makeup and complete loss of baby-weight at 4 weeks postpartum. I'm sure she is getting no sleep at all. /sarcasm

Posted by: ct_mom at Mar 24, 2008 1:04:35 PM

AMEN Sister!

Posted by: Renee at Mar 24, 2008 1:13:58 PM

Crap, I wish I had known that "wanting it really badly deep down" and being an overachiever was all I needed to get pregnant. Instead I went the underachiever route with donor eggs and IVF and only had ONE baby.

The Lopez family doth protest too much, the defensive "twins run in my family" seems to be the tell for IVF twins. Twinning runs in families if the woman inherits a tendency for "hyper ovulation" - someone who tried for years unsuccessfully really doesn't sound like someone whose ovulation could be describes as "hyper" does it?

And Jenny, I'd be mildly impressed with the triathlon if you had to train without the aid of a trainer or nannies to watch your children or a chef to make your families meals or someone to clean your house. Yes you still have to put in the effort to train but some of us do it by schlepping the baby in the jogging stroller or stealing away an hour to swim after the baby is in bed.

Posted by: Suzanne at Mar 24, 2008 1:20:34 PM

THANK YOU for writing this. I was and still am INFURIATED, not only as a mother of twins reading about her "miraculous weight loss" (hello, 13m later and I still moan the words "twin skin" in me sleep, and also her supposed natural twins. Seriously? Because when I was going through treatments I was reading an article SHOWING her coming out of a clinic. Barf. Why not be honest?

Posted by: tbonegrl at Mar 24, 2008 1:39:22 PM

This kind of crap drives me crazy! I'm not infertile, but my dh and I spent months at the hospital while our 3 yr old dd underwent chemotherapy. She died 8 months later. Many parents whose children survived cancer made statements like, "We never gave up." "We had faith." "Our child is a fighter". It just steamed me inside because it was like our child died because of some failure on our part. Like we GAVE up, or we didn't have FAITH, or our child wasn't a FIGHTER. Give me a freaking break. You don't get pregnant because you "want it really bad". And I guess it's just a coincidence that every celebrity has to get pg with twins. Right.

Posted by: Gina at Mar 24, 2008 1:45:34 PM

Charity, your friend’s first set of twins, at least, might have been directly related to her having just gone off the pill! Apparently women who conceive immediately after stopping the pill have a slightly higher incidence of multiple births. Not that that has a thing in the world to do with J. Lo., of course. (And I loved everything about this post, Julie.)

I couldn't say for sure if it's true, but I've read more than once that older women are somewhat more likely to conceive twins spontaneously. Anecdotally, my grandmother first gave birth at age 23, then had no more children till age 40, when my mother and her twin brother arrived. And obviously no ART was involved back in the 1940s. So yeah, I'm as cynical as anyone else about most of these twin stories, but they do happen every so often.

Posted by: tc at Mar 24, 2008 2:05:29 PM

Yeah, I'm pretty sure she wouldn't lie to me if they had pursued IVF. She's open about everything else in her life, she would have told me about that. It's not like I'm PEOPLE magazine, ya know?

She wasn't sure if twins ran in her family, but she made a good point: in the olden days, sometimes twins were conceived, but only one would survive. Sometimes it wasn't always noted if there was a twin that didn't make it. So if you're relying on an old family Bible or diary, they may not have all the deets.

Manager at Hubby's company, age 43, had a SURPRISE! baby last year too. Their kids were almost 10 and 7. This little one, while very cute, was a biiiiig surprise.

Posted by: Charity at Mar 24, 2008 2:19:15 PM

Julia Roberts ALSO had "natural" boy/girl twins, and hey, guess what? Twins ran in her family, too! They must be related, J-Lo and J-Ro.

That being said, my son's 2nd grade teacher had two sets of twins (B/G, then non-identical B/B two [!!!] years later) without medical intervention. But she was in her 20s, apparently shooting eggs out like a tommy gun.

Posted by: Lisa at Mar 24, 2008 2:23:42 PM

When I read that JLo's Father said that twins run in their family I wondered if he was aware of the Catholic Church's policy against IVF. Perhaps she is now lying to spare her husbands ultra conservative family and to protect her image.

Posted by: Mel at Mar 24, 2008 2:49:15 PM

Ok, last one I swear, from: http://fametastic.co.uk/archive/20060920/2626/jennifer-lopez-wants-two-children-from-ivf-treatment/


Fametastic
Jennifer Lopez wants two children from IVF treatment
Wednesday September 20th, 2006 at 2:21 pm by Heather

Jennifer Lopez is reportedly receiving IVF treatment at the Cedars-Sinai Medical Centre in Los Angeles.

The singer-actress was spotted at the fertility clinic and a fellow patient revealed: “Jennifer said she wanted to have two children. She said she’d recently started treatment and couldn’t wait to have a family.”

Posted by: tbonegrl at Mar 24, 2008 2:51:59 PM

Huh, one comment was eaten. Here's what JLo's dad said:

http://www.imnotobsessed.com/2008/02/06/jennifer-lopez-father-confirms-twins-its-in-the-family/

Well, Jennifer Lopez’s father has just confirmed that his daughter did not use in vitro to conceive her children… or at least that is what he is implying. During an interview on the Spanish-language show Escándalo TV, David said “it’s a hereditary thing”.

“Yes, twins,” her dad David Lopez said in an interview on the Spanish-language show Escándalo TV, PEOPLE en Español reports. “The thing is in my family, my sister also had twins, so it’s a hereditary thing. I’m very proud. Jennifer has yearned to be a mother for many years.

“In Puerto Rico it’s custom to buy an azabache [black stone] bracelet for babies to protect them from the evil eye, it’s part of our culture.”

Posted by: tbonegrl at Mar 24, 2008 2:54:09 PM

Julie,
Great post! I agree she has no obligation to share any details. But I would respect her so much more if we saw some empathy towards those that have been in the IF trenches with her.

And I am going to try to incorporate the phrase "intimate dimensions" into my vocabulary. Love it.

Posted by: Amy at Mar 24, 2008 2:57:11 PM

Oh, I also knew I woman with 2 sets of twins that were about a year apart. Our husbands were both on submarines in (the early 1980's) and gone for 3 months and home for three months in a never ending cycle). As you can imagine the second pregnancy was unplanned and she had her tubes tied at the age of 23 as the doc told her that most likely she would always release two eggs! Her mom would stay with her for 6 months and then her mother in law would stay for 6 months. I remember her shower, 2 newborns and 2 11 month olds, OMG! (AND NO HUSBAND, OUT TO SEA FOR 8 MORE WEEKS) Shudder, I don't know how she survived.

Posted by: Mel at Mar 24, 2008 2:58:49 PM

I actually do believe that it is possible for a woman to have two sets of twins without any extra help -- my aunt did it and she isn't the only one in our family to achieve the distinction. But she had ten children (six singletons and two sets of twins). They were all born before the era of ART.

As for JLO, she's full of shit. And you rock Julie and are oh so correct. If she didn't want to talk about their conception she didn't have to. But to blatently lie when the truth is so obvious is just crap.

Dh and I conceived without assistance after 3 years of trying and the first thing we'll say when asked is that we hit the freaking jackpot and can't believe we are so lucky. I still don't believe it. Seems like I must have gone to sleep for the part where we got help. Wanting and hoping and belief had nothing to do with it since we had given up hoping and believed IVF was our only shot. She could have at least acknowledged the joy and the luck that after years of waiting her number finally came up.

Posted by: Sarah at Mar 24, 2008 3:00:28 PM

This comment is not so much in response to your blog as it is to some of the comments flowing in right now...
I get just as infuriated by people who won't accept the idea of some twins being natural as I am that people like J Lo refuse to admit that they needed help. A lesbian friend of mine just found out she's having twins - they used the proverbial turkey baster at home (so I guess a kind of home remedy IUI?), and hadn't done any drug therapies yet (this was only their second month of trying). She was told that "older" women (she's 36) just have a larger chance of dropping 2 eggs.
So no, I don't believe for a second that J Lo conceived without help, but folks, please don't judge people who really did conceive twins naturally - it's been happening for a long time, pre and post ART Age.

Posted by: kelly at Mar 24, 2008 3:00:43 PM

Didn't J-Lo have the up and down IVF-cycling belly, before she was pregnant? When the media was all is she OR isn't she? Yes, I do believe she did.

Excellent post, Julie!

Posted by: thrice at Mar 24, 2008 3:12:48 PM

Thank f'ing god. Somebody needed to say it. I can't lie and say I've been a huge J-Lo fan all these years (although who doesn't get down to a little "Jenny From the Block" now and then) but I've lost any and all respect I could've possibly had for her. "I knew nothing was wrong with me." Well isn't that great for you. Funny, because I knew that too.

As for conceiving twins "naturally", I can attest to the fact that it does happen. I conceived identical twins 5 months into our TTC journey...and lost them 9 weeks later. Imagine my surprise when I learned a year (and 3 miscarriages) later that my husband had a drastically declining sperm count which leaves us with no option but IVF - after 4 naturally occurring pregnancies. Natural twins do happen - but not when you've been trying for years and have been seen in and out of fertility clinics. I conceived twins once, but if I'm lucky enough to do it again nobody will believe that they're "natural".

F*ck Jenny. She ain't from my block.

Posted by: Amber at Mar 24, 2008 3:22:12 PM

Yes, yes, yes -- this is why we love you Julie!

Posted by: Waiting Amy at Mar 24, 2008 3:24:34 PM

Charity:

there are people who tend to ovulate more than one egg per cycle. Women who do this have a 1 in 5 chance of twins at any pregnancy. Usually the only way a woman knows, however is if she get a set of spontaneous fraternals.

And if you are older you tend to release more eggs -- your body's last hurrah to try to up your chances.

I researched this when I planned to start a family -- my mom's mom had twins and her mom had two sets, hough my mom and her sister did not. Turns out, I had twins because my husband had a varicocele which resulted in severe sperm issues and we did IVF. But if someone asks me "do twins run in your family"? I tend to say yes. After all isn't that code for "did you do IVF?" In either event I am answering more truthfully than the nosy question warrants. And no matter what I say, people have already decided I did anyway. Just like you, Charity, are "just curious" about your friend.

As far as JLo goes, I would totally cut her slack if she answered "yes" to that question in passing. It's a nunya. BUT the fact that she was PAID to tell her story and THEN gets demure (*cough*) -- ridiculous. Open to ridicule. If she doesn't want to address the private issue DON'T SELL PICTURES OF YOUR PRIVATE LIFE.

Granted, I am ranting and haven't read it.

The real problem IS the "wanting so deeply" nonsense. In short, I do not think she is bright enough to understand why that is offensive. Even if she were to read Gina's very clear, concise and heartbreaking illustration of how offensive and moronic the statement is.

Posted by: another julie at Mar 24, 2008 3:32:42 PM

THANK YOU!!!!!

I detest J.Lo, and she's a flipping annoying liar, and her nasty Skeletor husband is revolting. Own that you got fertility treatments, idiots.

I have spontaneously-conceived (I hate the term "natural," like IVF twins are synthetic or something) fraternal twins with no history of twins anywhere in my family. However, if I'd pursued fertility treatments to get them, I'd be honest when people asked (and they do ask ... all the time.)

Posted by: Patty at Mar 24, 2008 3:36:15 PM

And Gina, I'm so, so terribly sorry. :(

Posted by: Patty at Mar 24, 2008 3:37:17 PM

I heart you. High five!

Posted by: Natalee at Mar 24, 2008 3:45:15 PM

OK, it is true that the probability of twins can increase with age. You get older, you start producing more FSH, and if the balance of FSH and ovarian reserve if off by the right amount it's a little like being on fertility meds. The thing is, I just don't believe that's what happened here. It could be the quotes that sound so off, but it could also be that I just can't forgive JLo for doing the America remake of the Japanese 'Shall We Dance'. Her dancing was even worse than her acting -- hard to believe but true. She single handedly ruined what would otherwise have been a decent remake. If you ever subjected yourself to watching that movie, please go out and rent the Japanese version, if only for the pleasure of seeing Alan & Donna Shingler dressed up as the young couple in the childhood flashback.

Posted by: Elizabeth D at Mar 24, 2008 3:52:42 PM

It's posts like this that make me totally love you.

Posted by: Jessica H. at Mar 24, 2008 3:54:03 PM

FinaLLy some EFF-ing truth!!!!!!!

Wouldnt you think Jenny would learn to noT buLL shiT the preSS after the hideous time abc interviewed her in her "PERFECT" relationship with Ben AFFLeck(ben I mean YOU no disrespect)
ThanKs froM an infertile beLLy..

Posted by: Beth at Mar 24, 2008 3:57:52 PM

Oh, dear . . . be NICE, Julie . . . I mean the poor lying sack of shit, oops, I mean Jennifer Lopez, now has to deal with the children of that natural, miraculous conception -- and they look just like her skeleton/cadaver of a husband. When the twins automatically grow handsome/pretty in their teens, I'm sure plastic surgery won't be mentoned at all!!!

I had SO many problems with the article -- sorry, I'll admit to having a subscription to People right back to the first issue -- check out the nursery! Warm and cozy -- so inviting!! And the two 24/7 baby nurses that aren't even needed, since Jennifer and Mark get up every feeding TOGETHER!! Must be hard on her training schedule, I'm sure. And, there's proud Daddy Mark -- gushing about how these twins make his life perfect . . . I'm not sure why his first 3 children with his first wife Dayanara (sp?) didn't make his life perfect, but damn glad he finally got that nailed down.

Worst thing -- hand's down? A photo of Mark and Jennifer bottle feeding both those babes (hey, no breast feeding for the athlete in training!) and they are both barefoot. Mark's feet are truly the stuff that can cause anyone to lose their last meal.

Thank you so much for today's post -- genius. It's why I stay a faithful reader . . . oh, and also because I'm waiting for an updated picture of the prince (Charlie) and a long-awaited notice of the happy birth of his healthy sibling!!! Hope you're feeling well! I'm 12 weeks behind you . . . a mighty nice place to be!

Stacey

Posted by: Stacey at Mar 24, 2008 3:58:29 PM

Oh thank you, thank you, thank you for this post. I was thinking it only was me - another babies of celebrities blog going on and on about how of course someone who wanted it could go 3 years+ and then BAM - suddenly whack two out of the old ovaries with no help whatsoever. Though - they did say "natural". Perhaps drugs are natural. I mean - they can make you ovulate, and ovulation as we all know is natural. Either that or they were just forgetting during those years of disappointment that SEX is the number one thing that kind of helps conception along. Then I could possibly believe that boom - it happened naturally after all.

And poop on the whole "wanted it bad enough" I guess I didn't want the seven babies I miscarried bad enough. I guess I didn't want to get pg bad enough those months that sometimes turned into years of flogging my friggin' ovaries. Darn it - that was my whole infertility problem right there - I didn't WANT it. Boy, what a relief to know I spent all that money on something I didn't want.

And - please, if everything she touches turns to gold, please come and touch a few of my household items or just one - like the couch. I am sure a solid gold couch could easily finance a few more go rounds . . .

Posted by: JuliaS at Mar 24, 2008 4:03:27 PM

I found it intriguing that she made a big deal out of emphasizing that her twins were conceived "naturally," but then went on to have a C-section and chose not to breastfeed. Why is there so much stigma attached to ART for conception but not these other kinds of "artificial" interventions?

Posted by: elizabeth at Mar 24, 2008 4:20:42 PM

Is she even relevant anymore? Regardless, I've always hated her and I hate her more now.

Posted by: chris at Mar 24, 2008 4:25:37 PM

I can't even stand to read/look at/hear anything about her twins. It makes my blood boil!!! I could care less about how her twins were concieved, but the mere fact that she shouts it from the rooftops that they're "natural." Guess what, so are mine, I don't see an artificial robot babies running around my house. Guess what, I'm not ashamed to say I used ART to concieve my twins at 26, so it has nothing to do with age!!

Thanks for this post...so many celebs now seemed ashamed of ART despite the fact that there are tons of celeb twins running around the tabloids!! What is your take on Brangelina and their possible twins??

Posted by: twinboysmom at Mar 24, 2008 4:31:07 PM

you nailed that one. either a no comment and move on or some honesty -- if only we could all want it enough - please. and my SIL did have two sets of twins - all on her own. sure it happens but my SIL got preg at 21 and 25...and never saw the inside of a fertility clinic in her life.

Posted by: jb at Mar 24, 2008 4:37:45 PM

Perfect post! I think there are very few people that actually believe that these twins didn't come into the world without some help!

Posted by: Heather at Mar 24, 2008 4:45:22 PM

I bet if we here had us a little vote on which one of the two of you is a rock star, poor J.Lo would find the results as revealing as that dress. So yeah, you rock, hard core. And I am so glad I am basically an elderly shut-in and, therefore, did not stumble onto this particular load of bull before I could contemplate it in the soft glowing light of the patented Julie needlepoint... err.. seismic smackdown.

Posted by: JuliaKB at Mar 24, 2008 4:55:53 PM

okay everyone, let's give her the benefit of the doubt, perhaps all of those shots of her entering and exiting the clinic was just because she needed to have 17 pap smears in one month. Perhaps she really had the clap - you know because all that wanting and yearning can really wear down a persons immune system making them vulnerable to VD.

When I read this article while standing in line at Costco, I couldn't help but roll my eyes. Another perfect bulls-eye Julie. Well done!

Posted by: Duchess at Mar 24, 2008 4:57:49 PM

Wow, thank you for that. I hadn't even read the evil article. I was too busy seething because ya know, she's not breastfeeding because her Mom didn't.

Never mind the fact that they didn't know then what they do now about breastfeeding.

Ugh. I REALLY liked her before all this. Now I just want to slap her fake lying ass.

Posted by: Jennifer at Mar 24, 2008 5:09:20 PM

Maybe she's telling the truth about how she conceived.

Posted by: Bea at Mar 24, 2008 5:14:48 PM

freaking fabulous! AMEN! this is what i want to say when instead i become incoherent with barely masked fury.

do you mind if i link to your post from my blog. since i can't say it better, i'll just refer people here.

Posted by: laura at Mar 24, 2008 5:21:09 PM

Yippeeeee! So silly. Robots, natural, what the ... She'll have to tell the kids eventually and we'll all know the 'truth' in their biographies.
j.

Posted by: joy at Mar 24, 2008 5:21:36 PM

I still don't get it. So what if she DID lie? Celebrities lie all the time. (E.g. they get a divorce they issue a press release that states, "X and Y have amicably decided to separate, but continue to be friends and maintain the utmost respect for each other," when we all KNOW that NONE of that is true.)

So why all the outrage over this particular falsehood -- if it was false? I get why the statement that she had children because she "wanted" it badly enough is offensive (for suggesting infertiles don't want it badly enough), but I dont get why lying about IVF is so outrageous.

Posted by: victoria at Mar 24, 2008 5:50:02 PM

"So why all the outrage over this particular falsehood -- if it was false?"

Victoria, as a non-infertile, let me take a stab at that. :) For one thing, there's STILL, in my experience, a shocking lack of knowledge among the population at large of the effects that age has on female fertility. I've heard people say that "so-and-so is still under 40, she shouldn't have any trouble conceiving!" Etc. Now, some people in their late 30s and early 40s, some of whom are related to me, do conceive effortlessly, but a fair number don't. This isn't to say that people should rush into marriage just to get knocked up, God knows, but they should keep the effects of age on fertility level in mind. When people see stars getting pregnant at 52 without talking about using donor eggs, unless they're up on fertility stuff, they're likely to think, "Hey, I can get pregnant at 52 if I want!" When people see actresses in their late 30s having twins and claiming that it was all-natural even when they know the sex of the twins way before a prenatal test in utero could have been done (hello, Julia Roberts), they think, "Hey, if I want, I can get pregnant easily in my late 30s, and I'm more likely to have twins to boot!"

Things might be different if J.Lo were a more private person - i.e. if she hadn't sold pictures of her kids to "People" for several million dollars to accompany an article about which she talks about her pregnancy and life in detail - that is, in the detail that she wants to reveal. Madonna, for example, was pretty quiet about her kids - no photos of Lourdes for a year, relatively little discussion of her pregnancies, etc. That's not the case. And I'd argue that when someone who happily puts most of her life up for public display treats infertility treatment as an option for lesser mortals - after she and her husband have been photographed coming out of fertility clinics over some period of time - it reinforces the idea that infertility is something that only happens to Other People. Other *inferior* people. If you're wealthy and special enough, if you *care* enough, then you'll have no trouble getting pregnant. If you can't, clearly there's something deeply wrong with you emotionally. That sounds incredibly isolating to me.

A hell of a lot of people have trouble conceiving. Their stories do not tend to be told accurately in fictionalized and non-fictionalized media. Their voices don't tend to be heard outside of specialized outlets such as infertility blogs. They face a widespread societal belief that everyone should be able to get pregnant, and if you don't succeed, then clearly you're doing something wrong somewhere. Behavior such as this by J.Lo, I think, would be amusing if it were happening in isolation. I think the frustration here is that it represents a lot of other trends that tend to beat down the infertile and make things even worse for them, which would be obnoxious enough even if J.Lo and other celebrities weren't getting paid to spout this nonsense.

Posted by: marion at Mar 24, 2008 6:07:37 PM

Besides your very eloquent comments on the article, I also noticed in the article that they have not one, but two nannies (aka "baby nurses," I think they called them). But, of course, they say they do all the work themselves anyway. Why lie and say the nannies aren't doing anything? No one would hire two people if they didn't need them.

Posted by: Lisa at Mar 24, 2008 6:27:44 PM

I don't mind if she doesn't want to reveal all of her personal business to the whole world. If she's not comfortable talking about her IF experience, that is her right. I just wish she could at least be a little bit more gracious about it. When asked if she went through IF treatments, she could simply say, "Trying unsuccessfully to conceive for that many years was painful enough. I would rather not dwell on how we got here, but instead celebrate the end result. I have two beautiful, healthy babies, and that is really all that is important to me." Then move on to the next question.

But lying about it is offensive and demeaning to those who are struggling with IF every day. Especially to imply that "wanting it really badly" is sufficient, when the rest of us going through this know for a fact that it is not.

And, hiding ART only preserves the stigma surrounding the whole IF issue. It's not like it's a communicable disease one only gets from watching gay child porn. It's something that can happen to anybody, for any reason, or no reason at all. To treat IF like it's something shameful is, in my mind, akin to making somebody drink from a different water fountain simply because their skin is a darker color.

Posted by: Stacy at Mar 24, 2008 6:55:40 PM

Lady, you DO totally rock. One of your best posts recently, I think. Totally made me giggle.

Posted by: Kay at Mar 24, 2008 6:57:57 PM

Hilarious!
Julie, I think you are the wind beneath my wings...

Posted by: Jen at Mar 24, 2008 7:30:21 PM

I love you!

Posted by: Anita at Mar 24, 2008 7:34:32 PM

THANK YOU JULIE- excellent post! Reading this article made me want to VOMIT. I don't know what disgusts me more, the couple's arrogance or the lies flying around like baby powder in a heat rash. Want to keep your private life private? KEEP IT PRIVATE. Don't accept millions of dollars to be a lying piece of shit and make others feel like they just don't want it badly enough. Let's just say, even for one second, that she conceived naturally... "I knew I could." FUCKING PLEASE.

Posted by: Jen at Mar 24, 2008 7:36:21 PM

If I had a dollar for every time I've got the disbelieving stare and the "Why, look at all these film stars who have children in their 40s!" when I'm asked why we don't have children....
Love the post Julie. Only disagree on one small point - in my book, celebrities DO have an obligation to be honest. Pretending otherwise just adds to the idea that it's somehow shameful to have difficulties conceiving - that you've failed as a human being somehow - not to mention how it gives millions of women the wrong idea that they can wait indefinitely to have children.

Posted by: mary at Mar 24, 2008 7:41:59 PM

Here's the thing: Celebrities do tend to be honest or honest-ish about *things that make them look good.* Donation to Katrina victims? Stint in a soup kitchen? Sponsorship of an indie film? Getting married? Pregnant? They won't shut up about that type of stuff. It's the stuff that *doesn't* make them look good - the affairs, the raising-children-via-nannies, the frequent berating of staff - that they keep hush-hush. When stars use infertility treatment and then discuss every other detail of their pregnancies, births, and baby-raising experiences but obfuscate or deny infertility treatment, they're conveying that they don't think infertility treatment makes them look good. Why I'm not sure. Do they think it will make them look selfish to be able to go through multiple rounds of IVF at $12,000-$15,000 a pop while many people are struggling to keep a roof over their heads? Given the amount of time I see celebrities discussing their mansions, luxury cars, and private jets, I REALLY doubt that's the case.

There's a stigma surrounding infertility and infertility treatment. That stigma is only perpetuated when stars sell out their kids for big bucks and yet falsely claim to have conceived naturally because they just "believed."

Posted by: marion at Mar 24, 2008 8:02:28 PM

My friend actually cycled with J-Lo at Cornell in NYC. As many of you know, there comes a point during IVF when you're going in every day for blood work and she was there with J-Lo EVERY DAY. They both used Dr. Rosenwaks, reportedly the doctor to other famous moms like Marcia Cross and Courtney Cox. So, she absolutely, defintely, did IVF. However, that particular cycle obviously didn't work because my friend delivered in January and J-Lo just had her twins, so I guess it's possible she conceived these particular babies naturally. But she DID do IVF.

Posted by: Rachel at Mar 24, 2008 8:10:18 PM

Its possible she didn't do IVF like she said. I'm a twin... a clomid twin, but not and IVF twin!

Posted by: Allison at Mar 24, 2008 8:39:04 PM

"They both used Dr. Rosenwaks, reportedly the doctor to other famous moms like Marcia Cross and Courtney Cox."

Both of whom have discussed using infertility treatment.

Look, I know from talking to people that it gets old really fast when you have spontaneous twins and everyone down to the checker at the supermarket is asking you which fertility drugs you used. I remember complimenting one woman on the beauty of her identical twins (shown via photo) and hearing, "Oh, thank you. Most people just ask me if I used fertility drugs." I think that woman was willing to divorce her spouse and marry me when I just blurted out, "But you don't get identical twins from fertility drugs!" (Yes, I know you can get them from PGD, but most people don't know about PGD.) Apparently this woman's sister - A NURSE - had told her, "But you can't have identical twins if you don't use fertility drugs!" SERIOUSLY.

But J.Lo was seen coming out of infertility clinics. She alluded to wanting children for a LONG time before she got pregnant. She stopped dyeing her hair at certain times - her roots showed. And the whole thing about how she was able to get pregnant naturally because she "believed"? Look, non-super-religious fertile types don't talk that way, at least not those who get pregnant before the omigod-you-can-still-get-fertilized-at-THAT-age? ones. I have plenty of easily fertile friends. They don't talk about what a joy it was to get pregnant naturally just about how they don't talk about what a joy it is to be able to tie their shoelaces. They did it, they had fun getting pregnant, they're happy to be reproducing, but it doesn't get elevated into this lyrical matter of "believing in themselves." Even churchgoing religious ones. Her story doesn't wash.

Posted by: marion at Mar 24, 2008 9:09:51 PM

To Aurelia, who doesn't believe any woman could ever conceived twins naturally... are you serious? It's one thing to doubt that JLo is telling the truth but to tell another commenter that you 'just don't believe' that her friend's twins were natural, well that's just plain rude.

Why can't you believe it? Yes, twins are a 'lot more common' now than they were pre-ART, but they DID still exist, and they do still happen now. I don't know what your personal fertility situaion is, and I feel for you if you are hurting, but not everyone with twins is lying to you.

For the record, one of my close friends has 1yo b-g twins. She was in her late 20s when she conceived, had been off the pill for 18 months and trying for year, and yes, they were natural and a total shock. So it does still happen.

Posted by: SueR at Mar 24, 2008 10:25:22 PM

All I could focus on when I read the article was how much it must suck to be her baby nurses. She has two of them, and it according to J.Lo, she doesn't really need them since she is getting up all the time with the babies. So either she's telling the truth, and the baby nurses are basically doing nothing, or she is lying, in which case the baby nurses are probably pissed.

Posted by: baggage at Mar 24, 2008 11:28:59 PM

We have friend that had 3 sets of non-identical twins and a singleton. Both of her ovaries ovulate every month. She miscarried the twin of the singleton and gets very annoyed at people who ask her what treatment she had. She would have much preferred to have four single kids and was horrified when she found out about the 2nd and 3rd sets of twins.

So it happens and sometimes it can be shit. But there's no way that was the case for J Lo. Even if she didn't conceive via ART, she's been through it and should know better.

Posted by: Sassy at Mar 24, 2008 11:34:31 PM

Amen, what an idiot.

Posted by: Kahla at Mar 24, 2008 11:35:30 PM

At first I had problems with every aspect of that article. Particularly when Marc commented that it didn't enter his mind it wouldn't happen, and she responds "Really? Even after one, two, three years....;" as if they never even had a discussion about it. Then he turns out to be so knowledgable about the logistics and timing of conception to the point of predicting her BFP before she does.

After reading one commenter say that her friend cycled with Jenny and gave birth in January, I read it again with a different perspective since she had her babies in February. I actually got prenant naturally right after a failed cycle- at a time I shouldn't have been ovulating. My RE said it was possible that the gonal-F may have still been in my system and caused me to ovulate more than once. So maybe that's how she had twins.

I also reread those three most offensive sentences and can see how they may have been taken out of context or interpreted differently. First of all, it was an all-day interview and those statements may not have been consecutive but rather cobbled together later. In saying "I knew nothing was wrong with me," maybe she just meant her IF was undiagnosed, and therefore she knew (poor choice of words) she could (i.e it was possible). Or maybe she really did know because she had had an earlier abortion and/or miscarriage/s. And I think that when she said deep down she really wanted it badly it was her most honest and vulnerable sentiment in the article- not meaning that's the reason she was successful, but just expressing the pain she endured all those years. I doubt she made that remark right after the other two- it's sort of a non-sequitor anyway.

I do think the whole thing is a little obnoxious, hypocritical and kind of "in-your-face" not just to IFers but to a lot of "people." It reads like they tried in blissful ignorance for three years without even seeing a doctor until..."surprise!" Why do they even the the money and publicity from People? I'm sure his other kids and ex-wife feel really special right now. Maybe Jen still has a thing for Ben. Or it's the "fame addiction" thing. We can look forward to her next cover after the triathalon with Marc cheering her on (because she really hasn't done anything that would make her kids proud of her to date). Frankly I'd be insulted when I was old enough to realize that, as a newborn, my mother took even more time away from me than necessary for the care of my twin- not to mention her megawatt career- to train for a triathalon. After all that, doesn't she want to be there for all the "magical moments?"

The comment I do find the most insensitive from someone who should know better is, "I can't even think of anything that can match the actual miracle of giving birth and having your OWN child."

But hey, what's not to be jealous of?

Posted by: Lacy at Mar 25, 2008 1:26:18 AM

Hear, hear!!! Well said.

Posted by: Krishawn at Mar 25, 2008 1:44:22 AM

Right ON!

Posted by: geohde at Mar 25, 2008 3:28:32 AM

You know, I've been wishing she'd own up to it for months, because...come on.

But after reading the comments bagging on her for not breastfeeding or having a nanny or whatever else? You know what? Go ahead and keep it to yourself, Mrs. Lopez, because I doubt the public needs one more reason to get all judgemental on your ass. Damn.

Posted by: akeeyu at Mar 25, 2008 4:10:05 AM

My first thought was 'Clomid', then I read the commenter whose friend cycled with Lopez (in training for that Triathlon? Sorry! Bad joke!)

My 40 year-old sub-fertile daughter-in-law had non-identical girl twins after Clomid (then another singleton girl a year later 'by mistake'! But that's another story.) So technically it could be that JLo is just being 'economical with the truth'. She didn't do invitro, she did it 'naturally' .... with the help of Clomid! ;-)

Posted by: Brooke's M-I-L at Mar 25, 2008 4:41:14 AM

That was hilarious. I wish you could get that letter printed in the next issue of People.

I love to look at these mags as much as the next person, but I never buy them for exactly this reason. I don't want my money enriching some star, who probably already has too much, and then throws her perfect facade of a life in my face, when I know and she knows that it's all lies. Boycott, ladies, boycott!

Posted by: CLC at Mar 25, 2008 9:08:17 AM

I guess I didn't want a baby bad enough...

Posted by: Flicka at Mar 25, 2008 9:14:23 AM

That "I really wanted it" thing bugs me, too, when people apply it to triumphing over terminal illness, walking again after a terrible accident, surviving a plane crash, awaking from a coma, etc. As though to suggest that others just gave up and agreed to die of cancer? Oh, well, I can't be bothered to really want to walk again, so I will just accept that my spinal cord has been damaged.
My mother has been devastated by rheumatoid arthritis and I'm humbled by her struggle to do the best she can without becoming depressed. When I hear about people who "beat" arthritis through diet and positive thinking, I feel enraged. Yeah, because if my mother just thought positively, she wouldn't be in agonizing pain, her hands wouldn't be gnarled claws, she wouldn't have undergone countless surgeries and she wouldn't be on all those medications.

Posted by: linda at Mar 25, 2008 9:58:44 AM

Apologies Julie, just want to reply to the person who addressed me.

Sue, I'm sorry you feel that way about my answer, but I quite clearly said that multiples could happen and did long before the advent of fertility drugs. Charity asked a question and I replied, as did other commenters.

They were just incredibly rare...and still are for completely natural multiples, especially ones who live. There are women who spontaneously double ovulate and there are women whose embryos split, but mulitples have a huge rate of vanishing twin syndrome in the first trimester, and always have, so again, the odds are very very small that anyone is doing this naturally anymore.

My statement above and this comment, should not be taken to mean never, but RARE, without some sort of prodding from at minimum, clomid, injectibles, or whatever.

Hell this time around I used DHEA, normally a menopause supplement, and had multiple eggs mature, which only resulted in one baby. Did I use IVF? No. But I did use fertility treatment, and treatment to stay pregnant, and I'm not obfuscating about it, like J.Lo has.

The Catholic church only frowns on IVF, btw, they have no problem with ovulation drugs, or diagnostic procedures. She could've told a truth about seeking medical help without getting in trouble from her priest.

Posted by: Aurelia at Mar 25, 2008 10:23:51 AM

Julie,
This post is why you are a rock star in the infertility blog world--you nail it with humor, but also capture the pain.

For me, Brooke Sheilds is the epitome of a celebrity IF/PPD spokesperson. She really truly came through the trenches. When her second daughter was concieved without intervention (just like Brooklyn Girls and Indigo Girls), she didn't make any stupid ass statements about 'wanting it' or 'knowing nothing was wrong with her'. She was grateful and graceful, and never stopped speaking up for us in the trenches. I suppose we'll never know the truth about J-Lo, but it would sure be nice if she'd say something less irriating and magical thinking oriented.

Posted by: Sarah at Mar 25, 2008 10:40:28 AM

Jennifer Lopez was born an asshole and she will die one. 'Nuff said.

Julie, you're the best!

Posted by: Laura at Mar 25, 2008 10:44:49 AM

For God's sake, people, doesn't every woman get pregnant if they really believe it, deep down inside? It's totally natural!

In all seriousness, I expected nothing less from J.Lo. She (and many others like her)have made a career out of trying to make everything look effortless and organic and why don't the rest of you schmucks look like I do every morning? I mean, I'm sure lots of sleepless new moms of TWINS fall out of bed looking like this:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20185328,00.html

Posted by: Sara at Mar 25, 2008 11:16:19 AM

I am dreading the issue of People that contains the letters to the editor regarding this pile o' crap article, all of which gush about the power of positive thinking.

Unless, of course, someone cares to send Julie's brilliant missive to editor@people.com.

Just saying.

Posted by: Marg at Mar 25, 2008 11:27:41 AM

I know I can grow a penis! I know I can. If I think hard enough it will happen!

Posted by: Spacemom at Mar 25, 2008 11:49:48 AM

Does anyone else wonder how she is ever going to have time when caring around the clock for those immaculately conceived twins to train for a triathalon a mere six months after a multiples pg, let alone a csection?? Granted, after 6 months I felt a lot more like my old self. (not that my old self would want to run, let alone swim and bike all in the same sentence) - but you have to train long before the event and honey, I've had 6 sections and I can tell you - I played volleyball 6 weeks after the first one and paid for it for it dearly. It would be one thing if she already were a triathlete, yet even then . . .

I want to be one of her baby nurses - getting paid the big bucks to sit around and do nothing.

Hmmmm, maybe they are training for the triathalon for her?

Of course, she probably just wants it bad enough so training will be a moot point.

BLEAH!

Posted by: JuliaS at Mar 25, 2008 12:28:42 PM

I think my son will eventually be in a support group called "Children of IVF Whose Mothers Won't Shut Up About It," because I hasten to tell everyone who even gets in the neighborhood of the question that he's the product of some hard time at the local IVF mill. Mostly because I advise a lot of young women in the beginning of their careers, and they need to know that if they wait to spawn, their reproductive future isn't necessarily as rosy as celebrities would have us believe.

Does anyone have an explanation as to why they lie this way? I agree, it's nobody's business that the father had to whack off to "The Bitches of Madison County" to produce the successful specimen or whatever, but if you're going to bring the topic up yourself ...

Posted by: DoctorMama at Mar 25, 2008 12:37:36 PM

Aurelia said: so again, the odds are very very small that anyone is doing this naturally anymore.

I would think the odds are about the same as they always were. That is, whatever the occurrence of twins was pre-ART, about that percentage continue to be spontaneous or natural or whatever word you want to use. Maybe it's just the way you word your sentences, but you make it sound like because lots of twins now are the result of ART, somehow women have stopped making them the old-fashioned way. I'm sure that's not what you mean, but it sounded like that to me the first time you posted, and it actually still sounds like that, so I can see why some people reacted.

I poked around on-line and found natural occurrence of twins between 1 in 250 and 1 in 75 live births, depending on ethnicity and a few other factors. That's rare, but it's not like it's unheard of. When I was a kid, there were four sets of twins on my neighborhood swim team, and they all were too old to be the result of ART. My husband is a twin. My best friend's mother is a twin and so is the father of the woman who sits next to me at work. And that's a completely random sample. Twins happen.

Posted by: at Mar 25, 2008 1:01:19 PM

Ay, mi Julie, cada dia te quiero mas!

Posted by: Menita at Mar 25, 2008 1:31:23 PM

THANK you!!!!!!

Posted by: Greta at Mar 25, 2008 1:32:09 PM

A-FUCKING-MEN, Sister!

Posted by: at Mar 25, 2008 1:51:23 PM

I do not care if she has ten baby nurses (hell, if we could have afforded to hire one, we'd have done it), but the perky "we do it all ourselves" assertions just grate.

Real women don't need reproductive or household help, and they get their pre-pregnancy bodies back right away. And so could you, if you just wanted it enough. It's that baditude that's keepin' you down.

Posted by: Slim at Mar 25, 2008 3:33:57 PM

It's all just Thetan-babble. Twins were conceived in the Hubbard IVF program. HUSH HUSH. Can't admit anything wrong. All cured by vitamins.

What I find interesting is her running the triathlon so close to giving birth. Katie Holmes ran a marathon not long after Suri. Guess you have to triple that up when you have twins.

Blech

Blondie

Posted by: Blondie at Mar 25, 2008 4:27:11 PM

Julie, apparently you're not aware that a woman's odds of conceiving twins increase with age. It is not so surprising for J. Lo to have gotten pregnant naturally with twins after years of infertility. During perimenopause, the body puts out high levels of hormones, trying to "boost" ovulation. This results in cycles with more than one ovulation, alternating with anovulatory cycles.

Frankly, I think you're taking a rather uncharitable attitude toward women who decline treatment. What's wrong with it, and why does it make her an asshole that she says that she was holding out for a natural conception? Also, remember that not everyone who is seen in an infertility clinic is receiving in vitro fertilization treatments. My husband and I have been patients at an IVF clinic for years. That's where we went for our diagnostic workup, and that's where we continue to pursue non-IVF treatments.

Infertility is a statistical phenomenon, on a continuum with normal fertility. It's just a roll of the dice. That means that a certain percentage of "infertile" couples will conceive as time passes. As well, a certain percentage of normally fertile couples will fail to conceive in what is considered a normal period of time for no medical reason. They just keep rolling snake eyes.

For someone who has experience with infertility, you show a breathtaking disregard for people who choose differently than you do. Is it possible you need so badly to validate your own choices that you feel obligated to take a swing at another person with the same affliction?

Catherine

Posted by: Catherine at Mar 25, 2008 4:32:59 PM

Perfectly said. you are such a beautiful writer. I would submit what you wrote to People magazine - you know they have those comments in the beginning where normal people react to stories. She has said some of the dumbest and most incentive things I have ever heard in my life.

Posted by: Amber at Mar 25, 2008 4:45:27 PM

Oh the other thing that really irritates me with celebrity parents is the "oh we do everything ourselves". I feel like saying, do you want a pat on the back? what do you think the rest of us "common" folk do? sometimes, well most of the time I want to slap these celebrities in the face. ok, my rant is over, for now.

Posted by: Amber at Mar 25, 2008 4:49:01 PM

Julie, apparently you're not aware that a woman's odds of conceiving twins increase with age...Also, remember that not everyone who is seen in an infertility clinic is receiving in vitro fertilization treatments.

Yes, I think you'll find that across the board I am notoriously ill informed about fertility issues and treatments.

Look, I don't care what they did or did not do — IVF, lights-off missionary marital congress, sacrificing a whole godforsaken basket of snow white kittens — to conceive their children. The problem I have, which I'd thought I made clear in my post, is with what I see as a hypocritcal distancing.

You may not experience statements like "Deep down, I really wanted it badly" as hurtful and insulting. I do, particularly coming from someone who's had trouble conceiving herself, but who lacks the grace to acknowledge her own good fortune with even a scintilla of humility.

Posted by: Julie at Mar 25, 2008 4:49:26 PM

Yes, Julie, you are such an under-educated, ill-informed know-it-all.

(and we conceived our son because we wanted it so badly...so badly our RE is the proud owner of a new swimming pool and a luxury sedan...)

Posted by: sheilah at Mar 25, 2008 5:24:27 PM

It's all just Thetan-babble. Twins were conceived in the Hubbard IVF program. HUSH HUSH. Can't admit anything wrong. All cured by vitamins.

What I find interesting is her running the triathlon so close to giving birth. Katie Holmes ran a marathon not long after Suri. Guess you have to triple that up when you have twins.

Blech

Blondie

Posted by: Blondie at Mar 25, 2008 7:56:39 PM

I read something recently, I think in Miss Manners, about how a woman might address inquiries about how the twins she was carrying were conceived: "We will happily proclaim these babies' births; please don't ask us to proclaim their conception." Seems to me J.Lo might have given a polite MYOB response like that.

Except that, you know, it might have suggested there was "something wrong with" her.

Posted by: Becki at Mar 25, 2008 8:19:49 PM

If J-Lo conceived her twins "naturally" (hate that word then so did I. And, yeah, sure, just because they are Chinese and my husband and I aren't doesn't mean they're not natural! There's nothing wrong with me!

Chinese twins totally run in my family...

Posted by: Amyesq at Mar 25, 2008 10:53:40 PM

Thank you a hundred million times for posting this. I couldn't agree with you more!! She is such an ass...and even if you haven't had to suffer through IF (We have!!), her photos are absolutely ridiculous. what a joke!

Posted by: Midwest Mom at Mar 25, 2008 11:23:32 PM

"Yes, I think you'll find that across the board I am notoriously ill informed about fertility issues and treatments."

So, in other words, you did NOT know that older women are more likely to conceive twins spontaneously, if they manage to conceive at all. Thanks for the gracious acknowledgment that you are NOT the world's greatest expert on infertility.

"You may not experience statements like "Deep down, I really wanted it badly" as hurtful and insulting. I do, particularly coming from someone who's had trouble conceiving herself, but who lacks the grace to acknowledge her own good fortune with even a scintilla of humility."

You know what, you're pregnant. That means "Step off!" Remember? As someone who has discerned that IVF in its various forms is not right for us right now, and who has a duration of infertility going back to 1996, I find stories like J.Lo's inspiring. If you believe she secretly did IVI I find YOUR comments insensitive and hurtful. How could you possibly fail to understand what a deeply personal crisis infertility is? How could you possibly fail to support and encourage women like J.Lo in pursuing parenthood in the way that's right for them?

I really don't see where you get off being offended by someone saying they wanted it badly. Are you saying you didn't? What the heck? The only difference I see is that they were rewarded for their patience and faith with a pregnancy--something you obviously can't bear.

Posted by: Catherine at Mar 26, 2008 9:49:53 AM

The following sentence:

"If you believe she secretly did IVI I find YOUR comments insensitive and hurtful."

Should read: "If you believe she secretly did IVF, that's fine, but I find YOUR comments insensitive and hurtful."

Posted by: Catherine at Mar 26, 2008 9:52:00 AM

Caution: Postings in blog are more sarcastic than they appear (to some readers, anyway)

Posted by: Slim at Mar 26, 2008 11:36:39 AM

I think some of the hiding comes from how fertility is associated with manliness for men, and youth and good health for women. So admitting infertility to many is like admitting age, a less than perfect body, and being "unmanly" or "unwomanly." It goes along with how so many celebrities won't admit to plastic surgery and claim they're just "naturally thin" and don't use strenuous exercise and diet.

I remember reading that twenty years ago, the rate of twins was around 1 in 80, and nowadays is 1 in 32. While odds are that a lot of twins born nowadays are the result of treatment, there's still a good number that are spontaneous. And it is a good point that maybe it's that a great percentage of twin conceptions are resulting in surviving twin births. And, yes, increasing age increases the odds, as does having had twins before, and also larger body size, which can be a result of that first set of twins.

It is possible that Lopez's words are being twisted by the interviewer who might want to make her seem like more of an asshole. Or she was an absolute asshole and this was the best they could do. I admit, I'm already prejudiced against Lopez because she's using her newborn babies to make money. It's not like she's going to need those millions to afford formula and diapers.

Posted by: Molly-Claire at Mar 26, 2008 1:27:37 PM

I don't get why infertility is a source of such shame and embarrassment for JLo. It's a medical condition, not a character flaw (like materialism, insecurity, homewrecking, and denial).

Posted by: Carol at Mar 26, 2008 3:41:56 PM

Awesome post, Julie (as usual)!

Posted by: Karisa at Mar 26, 2008 5:12:18 PM

Well, I read the PEOPLE article and, yeah, it was pretty nauseating, especially (to me) the comment about being excited at 3 AM that the next feeding was in 30 minutes. That, and the elaborate costumes on the parents feeding the kids. I guess Hollywood never changes!!! But the babies are cute.

Posted by: terri c at Mar 26, 2008 5:14:17 PM

that's some funny shit. i feel for you ladies and gentlemen who have trouble conceiving, but for the doubters, i conceived twins naturally on the first try when i was 22. i don't even know whether they are identical or not. although it's pretty obvious that there are more twins b/c of fertility treatments (whichever kind is used) it does still happen naturally to a small percentage of people.

Posted by: mommymae at Mar 26, 2008 9:23:57 PM

Seriously. I don't get it. I am a long time reader of this blog, and I somewhat expected a post like this about J Lo. But to be honest, this trope is getting a bit old.

I say this as an infertile, and someone who conceived via IVF with the ONE egg that was retrieved. Although I am very open about my struggles and IVF in general, I don't begrudge people for choosing to reveal (or not as the case may be) how their children were conceived. It falls under the category of 'Nunya.

Was she smug? Maybe. But since I don't personally know J Lo (and no, not a fan otherwise), I'm gonna give her the benefit of the doubt just like I do most other moms.


Posted by: at Mar 26, 2008 9:43:12 PM

"So, in other words, you did NOT know that older women are more likely to conceive twins spontaneously, if they manage to conceive at all."

I don't think Julie said anything like that, Catherine. Go back through her posts over the years and I think you'll find multiple references to the fact that women are more likely to conceive twins spontaneously as they age. She was employing sarcasm.

As for J.Lo deserving privacy for her choices regarding the conception of her children...I might agree with you were it not for the fact that we are discussing comments she made *in a PEOPLE cover story about said babies for which she was paid several million dollars for discussing her pregnancy and those children's lives in detail and allowing them to be photographed*. And, unlike Brad and Angelina, Marc and Jennifer haven't said anything about giving that money to charity. (And no, you don't have to choose a photo op for your kids if you're a star. Madonna's pregnancy with Lourdes was obsessively watched and she had absolutely no photo ops with that kid during the first year of Lourdes's life.) J.Lo seems quite happy to discuss details of her gestation and children's lives that one would typically find it impolite to ask about, so to say that she deserves privacy solely on the infertility thing seems a bit...inconsistent to me. And note, she didn't decline to answer the question - she did answer it, in some detail.

And, BTW, I'm single, have never tried to get pregnant, show no signs of infertility (and have a family history of the opposite, in fact), and am not 100% sure I want bio-kids. So I have no skin in this game, and I *still* found J.Lo's attitude to be as annoying as Julie did. But maybe that's because I have had relatives with health problems and have had to listen to other people tell me that THEIR loved ones were able to recover much better than MY loved ones from those same health problems because they "just believed."

"I really don't see where you get off being offended by someone saying they wanted it badly."

I don't think anyone's saying that, least of all Julie. She's offended by J.Lo appearing to say that, because she wanted it badly, she was able to conceive without any fertility treatments. So, the logical endpoint of that assertion is that people who DON'T conceive without fertility treatments didn't want it badly enough.

"Also, remember that not everyone who is seen in an infertility clinic is receiving in vitro fertilization treatments."

I don't think anyone, least of all Julie, was suggesting that they had to have conceived *through IVF specifically*. But when a couple says that they got pregnant "naturally," what most people are going to assume is that they got pregnant sans fertility drugs by having sex. The fact that J.Lo and Marc Anthony were regularly seen at infertility clinics would seem to imply that they received SOME type of fertility help.

Now, it's entirely possible that J.Lo's comment about how she really "believed" didn't have anything directly to do with her answer about not using fertility treatment. But I can guarantee you that that article wouldn't have been published the way that it was if J.Lo's camp hadn't been satisfied with it. This isn't TIME or NEWSWEEK - PEOPLE may well resist letting subjects read over and approve many or most of the articles it writes, but I can guarantee you that celebrities who deign to show off their newborns on PEOPLE's cover aren't getting refused when they want to vet the accompanying articles in return. Whatever she said originally, Jennifer Lopez appears fine with the world believing that she linked her deep belief in success with her ability to conceive "naturally."

Posted by: marion at Mar 26, 2008 10:05:36 PM

As someone who, apparently, does have "something wrong with me" I can only assume that she is answering that question very technically - maybe she didn't do actual IVF, but I can't believe she didn't use stims. So, maybe the conception was 'natural', but whatever.

Hey, maybe I'll spontaneously get pregnant after my seven years of trying!

Posted by: cari at Mar 27, 2008 12:27:01 AM

Hey, Catherine, being pregnant after infertility does NOT mean "Step Off". Being pregnant after donor egg and IVF treatment in particular does not somehow reverse one's diagnosis of infertility. Where do YOU get off, ma'am, telling someone what she may and may not write on her own blog - and attempting to invalidate her experiences at the same time?

Feel free to believe in your own special way that this woman was indeed 'rewarded' by her wonderful faith in her body by a pregnancy and a couple of healthy babies. But pull your head in...your vitriol is way misdirected.

Posted by: Clemency at Mar 27, 2008 2:46:53 AM

I think that you guys are being way too harsh, especially considering that this is a forum for women (and men!) who know more than most the pain of infertility.

I just figure that she's not denouncing IVF, so why rip her apart for saying that she didn't use it. Maybe she did and maybe she didn't, but either way she doesn't automatically have to be a spokesperson about it.

I think you're being over-sensitive, but I do understand why.

Posted by: Sarah at Mar 27, 2008 4:00:51 AM

*I meant this WEBSITE is a forum for woman....etc

Posted by: Sarah at Mar 27, 2008 4:01:50 AM

Eh, it's easy for everyone to take umbrage at people who either made different choices (or had to, because of circumstances) than they did. I've seen more than my share of flames heading my way from infertiles on this blog (naieve, clueless, ignorant, etc.), but waved them off, just as you see the smugness, arrogance, and lack of empathy from (supposed) fertiles. I doubt any of it is true, but I don't take it too personally (or try not to). It's your space, Julie, yours and those who struggle with you, so I try to only post if I have something supportive to say.

I'm still trying to learn from everyone here as a friend of someone who struggled, admitted she was royally pissed and wouldn't talk to me after I got pregnant, and then had IVF triplets only to have them at 24w5d and lose one a month later. Thank God the other two went home last week. Anyway, the point is, we all have our own troubles, and there should always be a place to vent them, so lay off the flames unless someone is being a real asshole. This is a blog for *infertile* people, so yeah, you're gonna hear some pissed of women. Get over it. Learn to sympathize, if you can't empathize.

Posted by: mazarin at Mar 27, 2008 9:43:32 AM

Oh, i felt EXACTLY the same way when I read that article in People last week. I was ok with her denial until she said "I knew there was nothing wrong with me." *Sigh* At least the babies can be baptised Catholic now. I mean, that's my suspicion anyway. It's ok for her to get divorced 2 times, but heaven forbid if she uses ART!!!!

Posted by: Danielle Gallagher at Mar 27, 2008 10:56:08 AM

Danielle, illegitimate kids and the like can be baptized, so I have no doubt that ART kids can, too. The Church may oppose IVF, but doing IVF isn't an excommunicable offense. She could get the kids baptized even if she hired a plane to fly a banner reading "I, J.LO, USED IVF TO GET PREGNANT." Okay, SOME priests might balk at the overwhelmingness of it all, but in the great state of California, she could find someone who wouldn't.

Posted by: marion at Mar 27, 2008 11:17:05 AM

Dear people like Catherine,

I'm not personally annoyed that J. Lo isn't "admitting" to using ART, I'm annoyed that she's implying that she didn't have to "resort" to using ART because she wanted to get pregnant badly enough.

Why do I care? Well, it was a real shock to me to learn (from J. Lo) that I've never seen a positive pregnancy test after two years of trying and 3 IUIs with stims, not because my insides are jacked to high heaven thanks to Endo, but because I just don't want it badly enough.

Oh wait, ask my husband if I wanted it badly enough when, after our third failed IUI, I informed him that I wanted to live in my closet (not a walk-in, by the way) and have no more contact with the outside world.

Signed,
There is obviously something (probably many things) "wrong with ME"

Posted by: RRM at Mar 27, 2008 12:09:27 PM

Hear hear!!

Posted by: Alison at Mar 27, 2008 2:23:13 PM

Perhaps J.Liar used GIFT or ZIFT.

Posted by: Heather at Mar 27, 2008 11:39:03 PM

"I knew there was nothing wrong with me. I knew that I could. Deep down, I really wanted it badly..."

Honestly and swear to god I read that completely differently.

I read the first two sentence as that she had gotten some sort of "all clear" that there was no evident physical reason why she couldn't conceive without IVF. Or that she could get pregnant - as in, she possibly had a miscarriage - but still, no yet evident reason to think that she couldn't bring a pregnancy to term.

And the final sentence wasn't an expression of charmed thinking, but more of a admitting that she did want to get pregnant and carry to term.

Maybe I'm just being too Pollyanna, here. But I did just read it all with an entirely different tone.

Posted by: at Mar 28, 2008 1:01:00 AM

Maybe this is a case of how sensitive this sort of thing can make a person. If you're used to getting slapped around, whenever someone raises a hand, you cringe, even if they're just waving. Lopez might have meant something totally different. She's not famous for being a great orator. Or it could be from the way the writer put it together. But after spending any length of time in this world, words like "want it bad enough" and "natural" and "nothing wrong with me" become loaded. It's not just that she didn't speak of using fertility treatments, but that she specifically denies them in a way that some find hurtful.

Posted by: Molly-Claire at Mar 28, 2008 12:13:49 PM

Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you. Thank you for articulating exactly what I feel. I hope J. Lo reads this post.

Posted by: Hannah at Mar 29, 2008 4:41:41 PM

In the PEOPLE article she said they tried for three years... and then she claims it happened naturally. Yeah, right, like we are going to believe that she tried for that long and didn't even consider going to a doctor to see if there was an issue? They just kept "trying naturally"? hmmmmm.

Posted by: Annonymous at Mar 30, 2008 10:19:29 AM

We tried for 3 years (over 40 cycles) and got pregnant on our own. We had an appointment with an RE scheduled for later in the month of BFP. I am not interested in spending any amount of time or energy worried about how JLo got pregnant or how others get pregnant. I'm happy for everyone that gets to experience having children and I strongly feel it's not anyone's obligation to share their reproductive history with me or the rest of the world. I hope that someday women will be able to do undergo or forgo treatment with dignity, respect, and the level of privacy they desire.

Posted by: TLove at Mar 30, 2008 12:26:20 PM

Guess I just don't want it badly enough? If only I wanted it deep, deep,deeeeep down then it would happen?

Huh. Thanks for clearing that up, Jlo. Now I'm off to buy the Secret. Surely that will get me a baby (since 5 years of trying and every kind of ART you can think of haven't done the trick)!

You rawk, Julie. As always.

Posted by: millie at Mar 30, 2008 12:51:38 PM

This is so flippin' awesome.

I heart you, Julie.

Posted by: Dr. Grumbles at Apr 3, 2008 1:22:04 PM

Julie, you RAWK.

Amyesq, you ignorant slut. You were sleeping with a Chinese man and chewing Clomids like candy when you pretended to be applying to China for adoption! Way to photoshop your pictures so your growing stomch would be concealed!

Posted by: lorrie at Apr 3, 2008 3:27:11 PM

catherine is obviously unclear on the concept. and clemency's comments are right on. go julie. ~luna

Posted by: luna at Apr 4, 2008 3:38:59 AM

I just found this post and more than laughed out loud through the whole thing. My best friend told me about it and I read it aloud and she spit coffee through her nose and she has already read it. Its so on target....People have every right to not talk about their infertility but if you do talk, dont lie. Its more than a rumor than she underwent treatment.

So thanks for being our voice:)

Posted by: Cassandra at Apr 4, 2008 12:03:20 PM

this is good stuff! thank you for spelling out exactly what I (we all) have been thinking. I believe j lo should should get a copy of this link. brilliant.

Posted by: tryingin2007 at Apr 4, 2008 1:28:21 PM

Perfect. Just perfect. You oughtta send that in to People magazine - I bet they'd print it!

Posted by: LP at Apr 4, 2008 2:52:55 PM

Thank you for saying everything I thought when I read that damned article.

Posted by: Laurie at Apr 4, 2008 4:14:02 PM

Thank you for saying everything I was feeling when I read this articlce... and then some. It needed to be said.

Posted by: Aisha at Apr 12, 2008 4:34:47 PM

What amused me about the "it's genetic!" argument is that it was JLo's father saying that twins ran in his family - which means jack shit about JLo's ability to ovulate with two eggs at once. As a mother of IVF identical twins, I have had the "Do twins run in your family" question too often to count, and my answer is, "they're identical, it has nothing to do with family tendencies". It's amazing how many people think the fact that their father's brothers were twins, or that there are identical twins anywhere in their family tree, means that they inevitably will have twins.

Oh, and there's that "it skips a generation" thing too. There is so much misinformation floating around about twins, I can't tell you.

Posted by: jano at Apr 15, 2008 6:51:45 AM

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